New New Manager Poll (The Lets Get It Right This Time Edition)

[Finney Is Back]

Am i entitled to believe what i want? Because it doesn't come across like you actually think that - it seems that by believing the reported story, or more so not outright dissmissing it as a planted deflection tactic by the club, I'm now just purporting a myth as it suits an agenda.

I think how long it took to come out makes it likely to be planted deflection by the club. If Conte had quit then it would’ve been reported as such at the time.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

I think how long it took to come out makes it likely to be planted deflection by the club. If Conte had quit then it would’ve been reported as such at the time.

By who?
Conte hasn’t spoken since going
Doesn’t help the club for levy to have it public that he had so little control or conte he had to beg him to come back

 

[Finney Is Back]

By who?
Conte hasn’t spoken since going
Doesn’t help the club for levy to have it public that he had so little control or conte he had to beg him to come back

By the club when they finally realised the obvious…. That we would be a lot worse with the organ grinder’s monkey in charge than with the organ grinder himself in charge.

 

[Mr Gogolak]

I don't think that's certain at all. But how does one make the counterfactual argument? Let's see how Mason finishes the season. Just because Conte left us in 4th that doesn't mean that was where we would have definitely finished given we had 3 tough away games at grounds we don't usually do well at.

I'd go so far as to say that we wouldn't have finished in 4th, had he stayed until the end of the season, and that's probably the reason why he completely lost it after the Southampton game. He kept us in the race, albeit with a squad that was tailor-made to suit his system. It's, of course, impossible to prove others would have done a better job but I would remind you that some people on here wanted Stellini to take over after then Emirates Marketing Project game.

To put my point across more bluntly, the problem I have with some posts is that, whenever a manager is fired, you read that they intentionally botched the job or that they weren't any good to begin with. In my opinion, it's delusional at best and downright paranoid at worst. I won't even entertain the idea that serial winners like Mourinho or Conte would waste a year of their careers just to... what? Make our lives miserable? Nonsense. The assumption that they're poor managers in the first place relies on the concept that our players, who never won anything, are actually very good but are somehow held back by these incompetent bosses who have won a lot of trophies. Doesn't make much sense either, I think.

 

[monkeybarry]

Kane called it explicitly on Friday. He said we'd had 3.5 years of declining values, standards and expectations. It's a full rot, not just a short-term tiff

During which time he's been Captain

 

[billyiddo]

I think how long it took to come out makes it likely to be planted deflection by the club. If Conte had quit then it would’ve been reported as such at the time.

If Conte had been sacked then I'd expect that would have come out at the time like it did with Mourinho & Nuno - we kept his staff so it would make sense for a mutual agreement party line, he agreed his team can stay till the summer if he didn't have to?

 

[parklane1]

During which time he's been Captain

Which was always a poor decision.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

By the club when they finally realised the obvious…. That we would be a lot worse with the organ grinder’s monkey in charge than with the organ grinder himself in charge.

It’s very random to say the least

 

[Gutter Boy]

During which time he's been Captain

Vice captain. Just captain for the dozen or so games lloris has been injured for. But i get your point

 

[billyiddo]

I'd go so far as to say that we wouldn't have finished in 4th, had he stayed until the end of the season, and that's probably the reason why he completely lost it after the Southampton game. He kept us in the race, albeit with a squad that was tailor-made to suit his system. It's, of course, impossible to prove others would have done a better job but I would remind you that some people on here wanted Stellini to take over after then Emirates Marketing Project game.

To put my point across more bluntly, the problem I have with some posts is that, whenever a manager is fired, you read that they intentionally botched the job or that they weren't any good to begin with. In my opinion, it's delusional at best and downright paranoid at worst. I won't even entertain the idea that serial winners like Mourinho or Conte would waste a year of their careers just to... what? Make our lives miserable? Nonsense. The assumption that they're poor managers in the first place relies on the concept that our players, who never won anything, are actually very good but are somehow held back by these incompetent bosses who have won a lot of trophies. Doesn't make much sense either, I think.

I think managers being good or bad is too simplistic a view to take - a lot comes down to suitability to the job at hand. I think what we have seen play out over the last 3 years is an answer to the question 'what would manager XY or Z do at a club that isn't the richest in the league' that is often posed on messageboards and pubs up and down the country, i mean you still see people calling Pep a fraud and he'd likely fail here or anywhere else that fails to spend at a sufficient level - despite him being one of the most decorated and dominating managers of all time, producing some of the best football along the way.

 

[Mr Gogolak]

I think managers being good or bad is too simplistic a view to take - a lot comes down to suitability to the job at hand. I think what we have seen play out over the last 3 years is an answer to the question 'what would manager XY or Z do at a club that isn't the richest in the league' that is often posed on messageboards and pubs up and down the country, i mean you still see people calling Pep a fraud and he'd likely fail here or anywhere else that fails to spend at a sufficient level - despite him being one of the most decorated and dominating managers of all time, producing some of the best football along the way.

I agree, to an extent. David Moyes is a good example of someone well-suited to mid-table teams with limited spending power for instance. However, while it is simplistic, football is perceived as an extremely vertical industry: someone like Guardiola will always be considered a better manager than Moyes, for instance. How many times have you read that Moyes was 'out of depth' at United? He wasn't unsuited, he was deemed not good enough.

If Pochettino ended his career tomorrow, nobody (outside of Spurs) would remember him in 20 years' time. When people win a lot of trophies over a long period of time, it is generally assumed that they know what it takes to win them. That's the mistake Levy and Mourinho made three years ago, by the way: he thought he was the missing ingredient when problems ran deeper. So, yes, I think you're right (although I'd be curious to see how Guardiola would fare with an academy producing players suited to his style), it's simplistic but that's the way football works, for the most part.

 

[billyiddo]

I agree, to an extent. David Moyes is a good example of someone well-suited to mid-table teams with limited spending power for instance. However, while it is simplistic, football is perceived as an extremely vertical industry: someone like Guardiola will always be considered a better manager than Moyes, for instance. How many times have you read that Moyes was 'out of depth' at United? He wasn't unsuited, he was deemed not good enough.

If Pochettino ended his career tomorrow, nobody (outside of Spurs) would remember him in 20 years' time. When people win a lot of trophies over a long period of time, it is generally assumed that they know what it takes to win them. That's the mistake Levy and Mourinho made three years ago, by the way: he thought he was the missing ingredient when problems ran deeper. So, yes, I think you're right (although I'd be curious to see how Guardiola would fare with an academy producing players suited to his style), it's simplistic but that's the way football works, for the most part.

Agree with that, managers are essentially rated the same way players are - those that reach or are already at the top are the best, when in reality the topic for managers is a lot more nuanced than that. I don't think it goes against my point, your Moyes example - it could afterall be argued that both Conte & Mourinho were out of their depth working under the constraints a job at a club like ours brings, could it not?

 

[AjaxDeSuperYids]

Well this new manager stuff is moving at pace…………

 

[harr1984]

Well this new manager stuff is moving at pace…………

It is obvious Levy was prepared to write off this season to get in the right man/one he really wants so is not in an unecessary rush. Likely Nagelsman is that guy and with his situation at Bayern will require some negotiation. If not him it's likely Slot who wouldn't be announced until their season is over anyway.

Chelsea want Poch who is a free agent and yet they still haven't got him over the line. Not always as simple as us fans would like it to be....

 

[AjaxDeSuperYids]

It is obvious Levy was prepared to write off this season to get in the right man/one he really wants so is not in an unecessary rush. Likely Nagelsman is that guy and with his situation at Bayern will require some negotiation. If not him it's likely Slot who wouldn't be announced until their season is over anyway.

Chelsea want Poch who is a free agent and yet they still haven't got him over the line. Not always as simple as us fans would like it to be....

Yeah but where are the juicy leaks

 

[Dicko]

Yeah but where are the juicy leaks

If the picture of Levy and Munn yesterday on their way to Dusseldorf is true they could be sat in a room with Nagelsmanns representatives right this second

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Yeah but where are the juicy leaks

Why panic
What do we gain?
The club needs the right man as we cant afford any more fudge ups

 

[We are Tottenham]

new manager poll a bit undemocratic! where's Mason?

 

[Dicko]

new manager poll a bit undemocratic! where's Mason?

You want him to be made permanent?

 

[AdamB]

Could just do with a fast forward button to skip past the current mess and to the point where we have a DoF and manager

we're a shambles of a club at the moment