The majority of times they are seen it's about 30 or 40 idiots that look like they've been on the beer or worse.
It doesn't give the "movement" a good look.
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It doesn't give the "movement" a good look.
Bedfordspurs
Arthur Rowe
It’s looks more like a Brexit rally with people following Farage
ricky2tricky4city
Tom Huddlestone
AjaxDeSuperYids
Drama queen
Really weird posts on this page
ricky2tricky4city
Tom Huddlestone
EnicOut twitter are noisy....it'll trend...cesspit clickbait media will pick up on that and stoke that fire, pump out stories with no regard for accuracy/truth....and the frenzied feedback loop continues.Proudest moment yet, and they'll only grow louder. No going back now, and media are picking up on it too.
Day isn't far when 60,000 are chanting for Lewis and ol' Dan to exit, stage right. Day isn't far when we can dream again.
Just hope that day comes before Kane leaves.
Truth is 40 people turned up to their big protest day last Saturday. The reason they don't get greater traction is their arguments don't encourage any discussion or GHod forbid any solutions (beyond ' be sugar daddy or get out of our club').
Most noise and toxicity is coming BECAUSE of this nonsense.
Gary Nev said last night hes not sure what the problem is. Made a great run to 4th last season, Spent nearly £200m in Contes first two windows. Are 3pts of 3rd/4th still in the FA Cup and CL ko's.
So things could be marginally better. Marginally.
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DubaiSpur
Ian Walker
Not quite - the procedure of selling up is helped when your customers are telling you to get out. Might take a while, but I have more faith in the power of fans to influence change than most on here.
Not at all. Really happy to hear it, and the more the fanbase unite in opposition to the owners, the prouder I'll be.
And I think you're shortselling it, and people have really reached an inflection point with Levy and Lewis - I've heard Levy Out chants more frequently than at any other time in my quarter-century following the club, even amidst overseas fans (who tend to be a lot more 'happy-clapper' than the locals).
We'll see how things pan out. My belief is that these owners are now being seen for what they are by an ever-larger section of fans that are done with their crap.
ricky2tricky4city
Tom Huddlestone
You keep spelling 'better chairman' wrong.
no of course not that would be ridiculous.
but on the balance of probability it is very likely we will have worse owners, with the potential for them to be catastrophic for the club, very real.
I simply do not want to take that risk.
I know this is going to wind people up, but:
In my humble opinion levy is teaching you or anyone else that wants to learn how to get rich a very valuable lesson.
Warren Buffet was once asked:
what you do is not very complicated why don’t more people do exactly what you do and get rich like you?
he replied something on the lines of:
“because people don’t want to get rich slow”
that’s what Levy is doing, he is making us Rich Slow. Building income, compounding, diversifying.
and he ain’t done yet.
For instance if he can get an NFL franchise we would be able to compete with Man U financially… NFL Franchises are cash cows.
“but but but we are footbal club not THFC investments ltd... I want more playaz innit”
The more money we make the more we can spend on players
we have what everyone thought was a world class manager- we have spent 100s of millions over the last few transfer windows - the stadium is starting to pay off… but if we can get that NFL franchise we would be in the leagues of the Man Us the Real Madrids and Barcelonas
And because Levy has made sure we got rich slow, it will be sustainable, not based on the whim of one man or one country that could turn at any time.
Now I don’t dislike the Qataris like many do, I see them trying to modernise and moderate and I think we in the west should be very open to that, while states like Saudi should be shunned, until they get their fudging brick together.
but I would much rather Levy’s Model of sustainability and income diversification.
Levy out??? We should build him a fudging Statue.
ricky2tricky4city
Tom Huddlestone
Saudi Sportswashing Machine fans did it.
I think?
Interesting, why is that? As far as I can tell the owners have put close to £0 into the club until recently, and yet under Levy we've still managed to compete with the five richer teams.
I've just looked at PL club revenue going back to 2001/2 (when Levy took over), thanks to the Deloitte Football Money League and Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deloitte_Football_Money_League
And this graph shows how the top clubs' revenue has changed over those 20 years, from 01/02 (in blue) to 21/22 (in orange):
The y-axis represents each club's revenue as a % of the top club's revenue that year. So for example, in 01/02 our revenue was about 43% of the top club's (Man U at the time). And in 21/22 it's 71% of the current top club (Man C).
So we've leapfrogged Saudi Sportswashing Machine and Leeds and now earn more than double their revenue, overtaken Arsenal, and got close to Chelsea. Obviously Man C have leapfrogged us with their financial doping.
And Levy has achieved that whilst building a new stadium, and with little to no cash injection from the owner. He may not be perfect, but overall I think this represents impressive progress. If we could now get just a little bit of extra cash from the owner to keep getting Conte the players he wants and needs, maybe we could take that final step and win a top trophy.
And this graph shows how the top clubs' revenue has changed over those 20 years, from 01/02 (in blue) to 21/22 (in orange):
The y-axis represents each club's revenue as a % of the top club's revenue that year. So for example, in 01/02 our revenue was about 43% of the top club's (Man U at the time). And in 21/22 it's 71% of the current top club (Man C).
So we've leapfrogged Saudi Sportswashing Machine and Leeds and now earn more than double their revenue, overtaken Arsenal, and got close to Chelsea. Obviously Man C have leapfrogged us with their financial doping.
And Levy has achieved that whilst building a new stadium, and with little to no cash injection from the owner. He may not be perfect, but overall I think this represents impressive progress. If we could now get just a little bit of extra cash from the owner to keep getting Conte the players he wants and needs, maybe we could take that final step and win a top trophy.
DubaiSpur
Ian Walker
Gary Neville is entitled to his views, but thank GHod he isn't an authority on us.
He's not sure what the problem is because there is a GHod-given place for Spurs in his mind - meandering also-rans that occasionally get praise for playing pretty but ineffective football. ENIC are great at keeping us meandering also rans.
Unfortunately, the game needs more from owners now, if you're an ambitious club that wants to compete. And the football world left Levy & Lewis' Mr. Byrite-based business model behind a long time ago.
ENIC Out will keep growing. I've never said that we've hit the heights already, there's a long way to go yet - but there's welcome momentum, and the media spotlight helps in bringing that beautiful day forward when 60,000 fans sing in unison for ENIC to get out of our club. I think it's inevitable, and a matter of time.
I do want a multibillionaire to spend fortunes on players, yeah. No guarantee we win anything, but a far better shot than what we do now, as 23 grinding, mostly trophyless years have proven. ENIC will always let you down, guaranteed - a new owner at least has a clean slate.
Tired of being an also-ran, and dreaming, sadly, is impossible as long as the same habits hold us back. As is evident even now - four weeks into this window, every rival with ambitions has strengthened (except Saudi Sportswashing Machine, I suppose), Boehly has signed 500 players so it's a piece of tinkle to do if you really want to, even for a clueless American.
And here we are - Monitoring FC, with absolutely nothing done, zero. Futilely trying to convince Sporting Lisbon to gizza discount on their right-back, over and over.
alekaras
The ITK of IDK
I disagree. Dortmund do it all the time. And we're a different proposition than Dortmund, because we play in a higher profile league and can offer better wages. Meaning we would never be selling all our best players. One here and one there won't hurt us in the least, if we have a system that brings through new players. We should become a club that talented young players want to come to, which will ensure we have a steady supply of quality players.
Holding on to Eriksen, Dele, and Dier rather than selling them for eye-watering fees at their peak cost us the opportunity to do a bit of a refresh at a time when we needed it and were more cash strapped. I would argue that holding on to Son after his golden boot season might also have been a missed opportunity to cash in on a player (although probably we don't need the cash as much now) and bring in new blood. So, even though we're less cash strapped now, but we should still not be averse to the occasional sale of a "star" player provided we have the system set up to keep bringing in the next set of talents. And we will win stuff in the meantime too, with this setup.
DubaiSpur
Ian Walker
Levy took 23 mostly trophyless years to do an above-average job, but we have hit our ceiling under him.
I think at this point, the only thing left for him is Stockholm syndrome, and fear of the unknown - it's always been a thing ('you don't want to do a Leeds!' has been a joke for about a decade and a half at this point), but there used to be some hope of different outcomes with ENIC in years 1, 5, 10, 15, maybe even year 20 of their ownership.
Not anymore - now it's just fear of doing a Leeds/Everton. I'm not afraid of that - I don't begrudge people who are, but I see clubs that have gotten new owners and prospered (leaving us in the dust) and choose to believe we can too.
23 grinding years is enough penance for the Scholar/Sugar times. I'm done thinking we need to shackle our future and kill our dreams under this lot because of what happened a quarter-century ago. No owners in the league have stuck around as long as these two, and we can do better.
DubaiSpur
Ian Walker
Let's see what happens, mate. I think their runway's run out, and it gets no easier for them from here.
same shït different badge.
Finney Is Back
Luka Modric
Because, in my opinion, the primary driver for decisions that Levy makes are the ones that will make him and Lewis as rich as possible through the asset value of THFC, whereas I would like a the club chairman's primary aim to be THFC winning trophies.
AjaxDeSuperYids
Drama queen
I wouldn’t bother mate as I have said before a lot of posters on here correlate their personal financial and occupational dreams with what Levy has done for Spurs off the pitch. He is their idol in that respect.
They are more interested in the business progression than the team even if they don’t all realise it yet.
And I do respect what Levy has done off the pitch but I’m not utterly obsessed with it to call for statues and calls for anything else is gonna be cheating or doing a Leeds.
Personally my focus is on pitch progression where Levy’s often totally unnecessary penny wise pound foolish approach has held the club back.
Its time for that behaviour to come to an end.
braineclipse
Willie Hall
Definitely agree (assuming the statue thing wasn't a call for a literal statue).
Is people look around at the PL and world football and see the pitfalls of new ownership I don't know what to say.
It's fair to think that would be worth the risk, but sometimes it seems like the risk is more or less ignored.
braineclipse
Willie Hall
Above average job. That's good isn't it? Assuming new owners will on average be... average, why the wish to get out of above average?
It's not a fear of the unknown for me. It's a realisation that the unknown will also have a lot of potential downsides. You say you "choose to believe that we can too". We can choose to believe that, but I think a sober look at both potential upsides and downsides is warranted, not just a choice to believe.
I do not understand why there's a glass ceiling. We're only a couple of years into the new stadium era, we're spending money, we're hiring people like Paratici and Conte. Why is there a glass ceiling to this strategy?
Which rivals have overtaken us? Arsenal were way ahead of us when Levy took over. We overtook them under Levy. Now half a season. I guess Saudi Sportswashing Machine? Again, half a season. Chelsea. Yeah, through years of massive spending they did overtake us.
I think it's fair to want that. But I also think it should be fair not to want that. I think it's fair to also look at those that have tried to overtake us or those ahead of us with new owners and failed to do so.