Mauricio Pochettino - Sacked

[mint me]

Understand,the players don't want to endanger their future health or mental well being which is a distinct possibility from years of going full on spazzed up from game to game pretty much.

 

[Benny_Lad]

What do you mean how quickly fans can turn? people have been patient with him and the team for the last year and a half.

We were in the Champions League final about 8 competitive games ago.

 

[mint me]

And were the far poorer footballing team in all of of those games , excluding maybe city at home at a push. So explain that.? Just look at Olymypiakos, they were a dream of how football should be.
basically we were rubbish in the champion league yet got to the final.

 

[mint me]

Dortmund became the compliant side in the 2nd half at Wembley as they always do, granted, but they've always looked the better outfit on these occasions.

 

[mint me]

and ajax were robbed let's face it.

 

[braineclipse]

He definitely deserves the chance to turn this around, if he wants it. I want him to show that he wants it.

Would Pochettino gave accepted the kind of comments he's made if it came from a player? Or would he have demanded commitment?

Our league form was masked somewhat by the poor form of other top four contenders last season and further by our CL run. The first of those entirely out of our control, the second at least somewhat fortunate.

If we're not already in crisis mode we're quickly heading there at the moment. I really thought the Palace game could be a turning point, but no.

Again, Pochettino deserves the chance to turn this around. Right now he's showing a lot of the signs of a manager unable to sort things out though. Not getting the basics of his style right, chopping and changing formations, playing experimental systems, not getting the best out of his players, looking unhappy.

 

[braineclipse]

To clarify; by time I don't mean a week, or a month. I mean let him have one season that's a write off.

It happens to every team and the very best managers. We would do well to back him through this.

Long-term thinking isn't a popular activity in today's world, let alone the bubble that is world football, but I feel like perspective is needed in spades.

Just to clarify, what exactly do you mean by a season that's a write off?

So far in 2019 we're solidly mid table, that's not even cherry picking to select for our worst run of form. If we're mid table, top four looking out of reach, by Christmas, by March or at the end of the season you're saying we stick with him?

Or to put it in another way, what's your threshold for changing your mind this season?

 

[Bedfordspurs]

and ajax were robbed let's face it.

????
Robbed of what?
Your not spurs are you

 

[SylDave]

Maybe this is still anger I’m feeling from throwing the chance at another trophy away and I should keep quiet till it cools, but I want the current iteration ie Pock mkII out, my preference is still for the old Poch back but I’m losing confidence in that happening every day.

Whatever the causes blaming splits in the dressing room, contracts running out whatever it is his brick team selections and tactics are causing this, cracks only appear when this go wrong and finger pointing occurs, and our form comes back to his new tactical obsession of playing anything and seemingly everything bar what this squad is built for.

One way or another Pochettino mkII can fudge off this isn’t the same manager that has been our best in a generation, I said on the weekend he deserves time based on what he has achieved, but their two different managers the old Poch the guy I love can come back with open arms any time he wants the current man can just go.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

TBF to Poch that team last night was more than good enough to beat Colchester
He takes the accountability for motivation but the players have to motivate themselves
There wasn’t one player in our team not significantly better than their counterpart

 

[scaramanga]

If 30cm (or whatever) is the level of acuraccy, then someone needs to be a minimum 30cm offside, to be called offside. If you are 25cm offside you get the benefit of the doubt.
As it stands at the moment, the TV could show you as 5cm offside, when in fact you are 25cm onside. Also when VAR shows a player 30cm offside, no one is going to question it. If someone is 15cm offside, VAR doesn't show it/stop play, and everyone is none the wiser.
Showing someone as 1cm offside is complete nonsense and not in the spirit of the law.

But if the difference is 31cm or 29cm that's beyond the ability of the system to measure within 1cm.

So how do we know if they're 30cm onside or offside?

 

[SylDave]

He picked a full team of rusty out of form players, there should have been three or four in form players mixed in, he messed with the formation again it’s never the same two games in a row anymore, as much as I hate the diamond of he wants that formation play it game in game out.

Rigjt now the best thing I can do is get in to work and forget about Spurs for a few hours cause this is all admittedly coming out through anger at the chance of another trophy thrown away.

 

[Raziel]

To clarify; by time I don't mean a week, or a month. I mean let him have one season that's a write off.

It happens to every team and the very best managers. We would do well to back him through this.

Long-term thinking isn't a popular activity in today's world, let alone the bubble that is world football, but I feel like perspective is needed in spades.

No one gets a season off, especially not a manager that had basically a brick run of form for 6+ months of previous season.

Levy is the long term thinking in this view, not the manager. You theory might hold weight if there was some clear examples of managers who at 4 or 5 years into their tenure had a brick 18 months and were then able to turn it around and exceed their original peak. Does anyone really believe Poch can not only reverse the trend but improve on his best team of about 2 years ago?

Poch probably has a maximum of 10 games, fail in the group stages of CL or let too big of a gap appear to top 4, it's over .. the club is not going to be wiling to write of 10's of millions of pounds for perspective.

 

[Lemonade Money]

But if the difference is 31cm or 29cm that's beyond the ability of the system to measure within 1cm.

So how do we know if they're 30cm onside or offside?

Whatever the accuracy is, you need to be that amount offside, to be offside. Otherwise you get the benefit of the doubt.

 

[elltrev]

But we’ve never had a squad like this one, or the infrastructure behind it. It’s all relative.

But how much of the squad’s perceived quality is because of what Poch has got out of it? Virtually every player has played the best football of their career under him. Son, Alli, Eriksen, Kane, Dembele, Dier, Rose, Walker, Vertonghen, etc. Look at Saints after he left them, and what’s happened to players like Lovren, Clyne, Chambers, Shaw, Schneiderlin, Rodriguez etc.

Obviously our squad is talented, but I think it’s unfair and inaccurate to give Pochettino little to no credit for just how good the players have been during the good times.

 

[Baleforce]

But how much of the squad’s perceived quality is because of what Poch has got out of it? Virtually every player has played the best football of their career under him. Son, Alli, Eriksen, Kane, Dembele, Dier, Rose, Walker, Vertonghen, etc. Look at Saints after he left them, and what’s happened to players like Lovren, Clyne, Chambers, Shaw, Schneiderlin, Rodriguez etc.

Obviously our squad is talented, but I think it’s unfair and inaccurate to give Pochettino little to no credit for just how good the players have been during the good times.

He’s absolutely due some of that credit, but if he’s done it before, he can, and should, do it again.

 

[elltrev]

Mate, Spurs will be one of the top jobs in the world, we will have no problem finding options. Chelsea/Madrid and others have shown you can rotate managers in/out and still have success, not efficient, but it can be done.

If the choice for Levy is replacing 4 or 5 first team players or one manager, one manager is cheaper/safer and more likely to get results.

Poch is still here, but the results have to change.

I still think comments like this are based on the flawed assumption that those players will want to stay if Poch leaves. Regardless of what happens with Poch, I think there are players who just want to leave the club full stop, and having a new manager isn’t going to change that.

 

[elltrev]

No one gets a season off, especially not a manager that had basically a brick run of form for 6+ months of previous season.

Levy is the long term thinking in this view, not the manager. You theory might hold weight if there was some clear examples of managers who at 4 or 5 years into their tenure had a brick 18 months and were then able to turn it around and exceed their original peak. Does anyone really believe Poch can not only reverse the trend but improve on his best team of about 2 years ago?

Poch probably has a maximum of 10 games, fail in the group stages of CL or let too big of a gap appear to top 4, it's over .. the club is not going to be wiling to write of 10's of millions of pounds for perspective.

I think the main reason there are no clear examples is that no manager is ever given the chance! They’re almost always fired. So I don’t think that’s a good enough rationale for judging Poch’s ability to turn it round.

Admittedly I have no idea if he can or not, but personally I’d like to see him given the chance - both from a self-interested and loyalty point of view.

 

[AdamB]

TBF to Poch that team last night was more than good enough to beat Colchester
He takes the accountability for motivation but the players have to motivate themselves
There wasn’t one player in our team not significantly better than their counterpart

Not sure I agree - his line-up gave them a much better chance that they should have had. Individually I agree that man for man we had better players but then balance wasnt right - if he’d have picked 10 defenders you could say we had the better players, but it wouldn’t make it the right team.

He picked two out and out defensive midfielders who create nothing and a third who is busy but not really creative. That placed huge reliance on just two players, Dele and Moura, to create anything.



Sitting on my porcelain throne using glory-glory.co.uk mobile app

 

[scaramanga]

Whatever the accuracy is, you need to be that amount offside, to be offside. Otherwise you get the benefit of the doubt.

That still doesn't work. No matter where you set that limit, 0, 30, 5000 cm, there will always be a case where the player is one cm either side of that boundary and the same arguments persist.