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Fernando Llorente
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Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
I think all the stories about Poch wanting more control and that was the reason he signed his new contract and also Mitchell was let go is because Poch did not rate the signings.
We have all done jobs where we had to listen to people above us and do what they ask of us but once we get more settled in the job we get to run things as we see fit and do it better. Poch is a demi GHod and would not want a piece of brick like Llorente.
For that matter I dont think he really wanted Moura either, from an article I read where he said he did not really know what to do with Lucas when he first turned up.
We need to sign just players that the manager actually wants and has a plan for.
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
I get that, and perhaps my previous comments were a bit to tough.
But we did not even sign someone who fitted the criteria of what we should be looking for.
glorygloryeze
Ian Walker
No, i'm sure it was Poch's...Levy kept on upping the bids remember. Plus Poch was at a game between Ireland and the Netherlands to watch him - though many at the time assumed he was watching Shane Long lol
We went for him after we decided Batshuayi was too expensive in terms of wages and a lot of the reason outlined why was because of Janssen's supposed 'fighting spirit' and 'strong me.natality' to not get too down playing second-fiddle to someone like Kane.
Definitely a Poch signing
Baleforce
Ron Henry
Potentially signed as a plan B.
It’s not been all bad, he was great against Madrid last season.
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
Yeah the articles at the time coming out from Mitchell how he though Janssen would be a success because he had to over come adversity(getting released as a kid) and had always upped his game each time, that made him think he could up his game to the prem.
Mitchell seems like a snake oil salesman to me, had a couple of early successes at Southampton and like a stock vlogger on youtube lives off that, now just signs talented but well known young players. I could do his job.
glorygloryeze
Ian Walker
That's the thing, I think Poch did want Llorente and Janssen. It's Poch's methods in the end that have failed in terms of integrating both players imo. I doubt either were first choices on his list, but doubt that neither were on his list
Robspur12
John Lacy
All managers make mistakes on players brought in. Even greats like Ferguson. It's a risk you take, rather than a "blot in the copy book"
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
Thats what I remember and those quotes were down to Mitchell. I am hoping that Poch now goes with his gut more and does not listen so much to others.
Of course he will have duds, like betting you just want a high ish strike rate, but the strike rate will always be better when it is the guy who picks the team chooses the signings.
Obviously scouts are needed for ideas.
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
A chav with soul singer?
glorygloryeze
Ian Walker
That's the thing, i think Poch HAS gone with his gut in most cases...indeed one cannot have a 100% strike rate when it comes to transfers but i disagree with the notion that most of the transfers over the last two years haven't been wanted by Poch
milo
Jack L. Jones
It is impossible to be certain on who was behind any signing.
glorygloryeze
Ian Walker
Absolutely, but there's a point you have to wonder why almost every striker bought is either not able to integrate into the team/system or we do not play to their strengths. We aren't Emirates Marketing Project with money to check down the drain here and there..
ShipOfTheseus
Clint Dempsey
Yup. Even the principals will have fallible memories of their role. Perhaps especially the principals.
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
We will have to wait for the next book to see what really happened with Mitchell.
glorygloryeze
Ian Walker
A bit like it's impossible to know if a club blows 100M on a Messi-type forward whether said club gets closer to winning the league
Impossible yes, but one can make a reasonably educated bet. Janssen came on to good effect in our first league away vs Everton and promptly started the next game at home vs Palace. If he honstly wasn't a buy with a Poch green light i doubt that would have happened, especially given how he likes to introduce players slowly
Bedfordspurs
Martin Peters
What’s happened to Brereton...
I know you rate him and I did too
Really not doing much at blackburn
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
No not doing a lot, but then does not have a lot behind him. It is all done to timing for a player in his career. I always thought if we got Berahino things would have been very different for him.
Rebic has been a name mentioned recently and he fits the profile, like Son he can play in different positions as well as the striker. Martial is my dream choice but that ship has sailed.
I hate Chelsea but I think their buy and loan out policy has worked well for them. Obviously they are just trying to dupe the system, but if you cant beat them join them.
Now we dont have the money to do it on the same level as them but we should try it with younger players from championship clubs. One thing is for sure in my mind we need to be more creative about who we try to stay ahead of the game. Levy has been doing that with the stadium build but we need to do it with the footballing side of the business.
Bedfordspurs
Martin Peters
My concern with Rebic is why can’t he get regular starts at Frankfurt?
milo
Jack L. Jones
A bit like it's impossible to know if a club blows 100M on a Messi-type forward whether said club gets closer to winning the league
Impossible yes, but one can make a reasonably educated bet. Janssen came on to good effect in our first league away vs Everton and promptly started the next game at home vs Palace. If he honstly wasn't a buy with a Poch green light i doubt that would have happened, especially given how he likes to introduce players slowly
There's a difference between a Poch green light and definitely being a Poch signing. I wasn't suggesting that he was signed behind the manager's back. As @Danishfurniturelover suggests, Janssen fits Mitchell's remit of trying to find value in the market, and I remember that effort comments too.