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Eric Dier

You would argue strongly but why were we suddenly better ?

I’d argue that it was because they couldn’t just walk through us like before. Winks had a platform supporting him to play off and the attackers came to life

I like Wanyama but he was woefully bad last night. He was pedestrian and let them get past or fouled them. If he can get truly match fit again then brilliant
Barca came snapping into us from the first second, incredible pressing from them, poor Winks and Wanyama were doing as well as they could... Dier came into a VERY different situation with the Barca players a lot more tired and the scoreline different. So it is very hard to compare the situations and players.
 
You would argue strongly but why were we suddenly better ?

I’d argue that it was because they couldn’t just walk through us like before. Winks had a platform supporting him to play off and the attackers came to life

I like Wanyama but he was woefully bad last night. He was pedestrian and let them get past or fouled them. If he can get truly match fit again then brilliant

Steve Nash on my stream of the game said that Wanyama had 'degenerative knees'. I know it's been heavily rumored but hasn't been announced officially by the club. He may well know though since he's been around the squad before.

I think Wanyama just needs to get back into form and the game against Barca will be helpful in getting there. As with all of our players. What does it mean with his knees though. Eventual early retirement? One game a week from now on already? Where are we at with him?
 
Steve Nash on my stream of the game said that Wanyama had 'degenerative knees'. I know it's been heavily rumored but hasn't been announced officially by the club. He may well know though since he's been around the squad before.

I think Wanyama just needs to get back into form and the game against Barca will be helpful in getting there. As with all of our players. What does it mean with his knees though. Eventual early retirement? One game a week from now on already? Where are we at with him?

I do hope it was “degenerate needs”. Those could probably be accommodated, discreetly.
 
Barca came snapping into us from the first second, incredible pressing from them, poor Winks and Wanyama were doing as well as they could... Dier came into a VERY different situation with the Barca players a lot more tired and the scoreline different. So it is very hard to compare the situations and players.

I watched that game and saw a whole different game to you

Barca pressed for about 10 minutes then sat an and gave us shed loads of room as they know they could intercept our passes (which they did), quite easily as our defenders had no out ball in midfield without someone like dele or Eriksen. They targeted Sanchez as he wouldn’t pass down the left side with any comfort

Barca went through our right and through the middle with ease and it was easy to see why as Victor was static and couldn’t get near to their passes. He did however make several fouls ...

People may think I’m picking on him but the ratings from the neutral press have all had him as our joint worst player

And yeah I’d agree the game was different when Dier wasn’t on but that’s because he helped us get a platform in the game as he can pass better
 
Steve Nash on my stream of the game said that Wanyama had 'degenerative knees'. I know it's been heavily rumored but hasn't been announced officially by the club. He may well know though since he's been around the squad before.

I think Wanyama just needs to get back into form and the game against Barca will be helpful in getting there. As with all of our players. What does it mean with his knees though. Eventual early retirement? One game a week from now on already? Where are we at with him?

I’d love a proper match fit Wanyama
I can’t comment on the knees thing but for me playing him against arguably the best side in the world isn’t a game to test him in
 
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Yeah, he should ignore the position Poch puts him in and play at the back regardless of who else is there.

Yeah, about that:-

Pochettino in his book:

"Eric thinks he's further ahead as a midfielder than as a defender. We had a long chat about that because I disagree. I've told Eric he has what it takes to be the best English centre-back but he has to be convinced of that himself."


https://www.90min.com/posts/5786014...sition-he-sees-eric-dier-developing-best-into
 
Yeah, about that:-

Pochettino in his book:

"Eric thinks he's further ahead as a midfielder than as a defender. We had a long chat about that because I disagree. I've told Eric he has what it takes to be the best English centre-back but he has to be convinced of that himself."


https://www.90min.com/posts/5786014...sition-he-sees-eric-dier-developing-best-into
So what nasty pictures of Poch does Dier have to blackmail him into playing him as a midfielder? I thought Poch was boss and picked the players to play in the positions they are best in. Or perhaps our squad is so poor in midfield that Poch has no other choice than to play Dier out of position.
 
I watched that game and saw a whole different game to you

Barca pressed for about 10 minutes then sat an and gave us shed loads of room as they know they could intercept our passes (which they did), quite easily as our defenders had no out ball in midfield without someone like dele or Eriksen. They targeted Sanchez as he wouldn’t pass down the left side with any comfort

Barca went through our right and through the middle with ease and it was easy to see why as Victor was static and couldn’t get near to their passes. He did however make several fouls ...

People may think I’m picking on him but the ratings from the neutral press have all had him as our joint worst player

And yeah I’d agree the game was different when Dier wasn’t on but that’s because he helped us get a platform in the game as he can pass better
Barca have been pressing that way for years. It's a great tactic but requires the entire team to be switched on mentally.

They press tightly for the first 10 minutes of each half in order to unsettle the opposition on the ball and stop them passing it around the way they normally would. It forces you into the safer, less valuable passes - essentially turns the whole team into Scott Parker. It's especially effective for them because they have a front 3 that the whole world knows can score in a flash if you lose the ball in the wrong place.

Once the opposition is unsettled they sit back a little more and expend less energy on the press. If they see the opposition becoming more expansive then they press again, but only with one or two players. Usually that's enough for the other team to feel pressured again and slip back into low value passes. If not, then they heavy press again.

It wasn't Barca tiring or changing up tactics, that's just what they do to everyone. What they didn't count on was the ferocity (and bravery to put it in Poch terms) with which our players came out fighting. Lamela and Kane especially were scrapping for everything and we were actually leaving their front 3 against 3 or even 2 of our own at times and relying on the fact that they wouldn't play it long.
 
Barca have been pressing that way for years. It's a great tactic but requires the entire team to be switched on mentally.

They press tightly for the first 10 minutes of each half in order to unsettle the opposition on the ball and stop them passing it around the way they normally would. It forces you into the safer, less valuable passes - essentially turns the whole team into Scott Parker. It's especially effective for them because they have a front 3 that the whole world knows can score in a flash if you lose the ball in the wrong place.

Once the opposition is unsettled they sit back a little more and expend less energy on the press. If they see the opposition becoming more expansive then they press again, but only with one or two players. Usually that's enough for the other team to feel pressured again and slip back into low value passes. If not, then they heavy press again.

It wasn't Barca tiring or changing up tactics, that's just what they do to everyone. What they didn't count on was the ferocity (and bravery to put it in Poch terms) with which our players came out fighting. Lamela and Kane especially were scrapping for everything and we were actually leaving their front 3 against 3 or even 2 of our own at times and relying on the fact that they wouldn't play it long.

That’s exactly how they did it so I never knew that
I thought it was odd but as I said to my mates they had easy pickings with our passing
I really enjoyed the game as once we realised we could get at them we did
That could easily have been a draw as much as the 4-2 it became
 
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Hahahaha! Nice one.

I wish he’d started on Wed. I think it would’ve made a huge difference.


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The only thing that would have made a huge difference was us having Dele,Eriksen, Dembele and verts playing or Messi not playing. Dier wouldn’t of been able to stop Messi doing what he did, as hard as he might of tried.....
 
The only thing that would have made a huge difference was us having Dele,Eriksen, Dembele and verts playing or Messi not playing. Dier wouldn’t of been able to stop Messi doing what he did, as hard as he might of tried.....

No. But he would’ve helped Winks be more expansive in his play earlier because he is a talker, a leader and has played alongside Winks more. Wanyama was useless!!!!

And yes. I think we are all in agreement that the absentees would’ve made a massive difference!

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The only thing that would have made a huge difference was us having Dele,Eriksen, Dembele and verts playing or Messi not playing. Dier wouldn’t of been able to stop Messi doing what he did, as hard as he might of tried.....

No one can but Messi is smart and targets weak links

He targeted Davies and Trippier wide and Wanyama through the middle
 
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