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Transfer thread

Think Kudus is the perfect signing

He's at the status/level where we should be shopping. Has proven what he can do, in the league in a much worse team.

This immediately lends to the idea that in a better team not relying on him to be the sole creative, will enable him to be more effective. He's a winger, that dribbles, they will always have periods of being brick, but if he plays with intent it'll still be beneficial.

Has a skillset nobody else does in the club, for years actually. Our team has been crying out for a real dribbler who commits and takes on players, Frank or whoever has identified it.

Anyone showing more consistency/output than him would be beyond our pull/spending power/willingness to finance or however you choose to see it. I think he's at the perfect inflection point of the players we should be targeting that will hit the ground running with immediate impact.
 
Lilbaz said:
Or just loan him again if we think he needs it.

If he wasn't our player and we were linked with him. We'd be excited.
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My problem is one of bandwidth and therefore ignorance. I haven't seen him play since he was standing alongside Alfie D in our great U21 side of a couple of years ago. Admittedly, he looked really good then.

I'd love others that have seen him to talk more about his ability on the ball.
 
fernadez said:
Think Kudus is the perfect signing

He's at the status/level where we should be shopping. Has proven what he can do, in the league in a much worse team.

This immediately lends to the idea that in a better team not relying on him to be the sole creative, will enable him to be more effective. He's a winger, that dribbles, they will always have periods of being brick, but if he plays with intent it'll still be beneficial.

Has a skillset nobody else does in the club, for years actually. Our team has been crying out for a real dribbler who commits and takes on players, Frank or whoever has identified it.

Anyone showing more consistency/output than him would be beyond our pull/spending power/willingness to finance or however you choose to see it. I think he's at the perfect inflection point of the players we should be targeting that will hit the ground running with immediate impact.
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I'd still prefer Dibling for the homegrown arithmetic and because I think he has a higher ceiling. But I'd be delighted with Kudus.

We just need someone who can run with the ball and come off the right flank with their left foot. An indirect option from that side could transform our attack.
 
Muttley said:
My problem is one of bandwidth and therefore ignorance. I haven't seen him play since he was standing alongside Alfie D in our great U21 side of a couple of years ago. Admittedly, he looked really good then.

I'd love others that have seen him to talk more about his ability on the ball.
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I watched him for Plymouth live once. He played right side of a back 3. He seemed comfortable without standing out. Maybe a bit physically slight (he's tall, but skinny). No mistakes defensively. Tried to use the ball, but the quality of the midfielders in front of him in terms of offering options wasn't great.
 
Muttley said:
Yeah, I've read people say that as well. I guess that makes him no different from Dragusin. How do you make the trade off between Davies lack of height, pace, one touch and even passing and the strengths and weaknesses of Phillips.

I would caveat this with seeing some massive intent from Sheff Utd. They used some loan players last year and almost made the PL. They've replaced Wilder and seem to be on a mission to make sure they're building some strong foundations to their club. I'd be very tempted if I were Phillips. It's not a step backwards him moving there. We could obviously get the buy-back / sell-on clauses inserted.
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I don’t think Dragusin is poor on the ball at all though when playing at RCB, which he rarely does for us because he only ever seems to play in our injury ravaged sides. I agree when playing LCB he did struggle off his left side a bit, but play VDV at right center back and I bet people would be complaining about his ball skills as well.
 
Muttley said:
My problem is one of bandwidth and therefore ignorance. I haven't seen him play since he was standing alongside Alfie D in our great U21 side of a couple of years ago. Admittedly, he looked really good then.

I'd love others that have seen him to talk more about his ability on the ball.
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Tbh i didn't watch him much at stoke. But their fans were very happy with him. Thinking he'd be a top player.
 
fernadez said:
Think Kudus is the perfect signing

He's at the status/level where we should be shopping. Has proven what he can do, in the league in a much worse team.

This immediately lends to the idea that in a better team not relying on him to be the sole creative, will enable him to be more effective. He's a winger, that dribbles, they will always have periods of being brick, but if he plays with intent it'll still be beneficial.

Has a skillset nobody else does in the club, for years actually. Our team has been crying out for a real dribbler who commits and takes on players, Frank or whoever has identified it.

Anyone showing more consistency/output than him would be beyond our pull/spending power/willingness to finance or however you choose to see it. I think he's at the perfect inflection point of the players we should be targeting that will hit the ground running with immediate impact.
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They have Paqueta and Bowen for creativity, they don't solely rely on him. What consistency has he shown? Bowen had more assists than him last season, created more big chances than him and his goalscoring is poor. So what exactly is he going to hit the ground running with? Yes he dribbles, he also constantly dribbles with his head down and not aware of his surroundings, obviously why his metrics are pretty poor (relatively). Lets hope that can be coached out of him....
 
Yiddo said:
Because their fans are bitter like most fans when one of their better players are linked to a rival. I’m not saying he is better than Bowen but their opinion of Kudus has definitely changed since he was heavily linked to us.
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Well that's just not true, even just a quick browse from April time there's been plenty saying the same thing:


'There are plenty of players that have burst on to the scene and faded quickly and we’ve had more than our fair share of those.
He reminds me of most of the players in my sons under 11 league. Very few actually lift up their heads and work out whats going on around them, they end up missing easy opportunities because they rarely consider a pass as the best option.
Whoever scouted him must have realised this and hoped they could coach him. But that’s not really the kind of thing that a player that has cost several million pounds should need to be taught. As with kids football you can just tell which ones are going to be any good by seeing how well they cover the basics. Kudus has some glaring holes in his ability as a professional footballer.'


'Two or three times yesterday he had the ball centrally in absolute prime position to play a simple through ball to Bowen exactly like the winner in Prague.

Instead he did nothing but look at the ground and dribble either into losing possession or to ultimately slow the game down, turn back and pass it to a full back.

I can’t wait to sell this player if we get a good fee. He can have the best lower body strength in the Premier League all he wants, means absolutely nothing if he cannot see the game of football.

Never mind the sublime to the ridiculous Paqueta. This is the infuriating talent in the team.'



'Other than being a strong runner with the ball, what else does he have?

Even his ten yard pass to Fullkrug for our goal was poor.

His all round game is lacking as is his level of consistency. He's nowhere near too good for us, in fact he's teetering towards the other end of that conversation.'
 
harr1984 said:
Yes they are a category below Kudus, Kudus is 24 and those players are 4 years or so younger. But my point is I would rather see Frank improve those guys over spending 60m plus of our budget on Kudus who is not that great, he just has more years experience of playing. And Frank wanted Johnson at Brentford, so interested to see what he does with him. For reference Maddison had 10 goals and 9 assists and 12 goals 8 assists his previous two PL seasons before joining us and is not a forward - yet people on here complain about him.

So a guy with 1 goal every 5 games and even worse assist record, I would rather not take the gamble on at that price point - assuming we will only sign one or two bigger 'ready made' 50m plus signings this window.....
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Not in disagreement. I don't know enough about Kudus to have a strong opinion. But I think players in that price range even if not fully established or obvious top level players can be really good signings.

We need a bit more experience. I'm really hopeful on what Frank can do with those players you mention (and others). But a player closer to ready made wouldn't be a bad thing. But someone like Kudus the club need to be confident that part of his shortcomings at West Ham are situational and that he's likely to step up here.
 
harr1984 said:
Was he? His stats aren't much different season just gone to his first one. In the PL he got 8 goals and 6 assists in 33 matches in his first seasson which isn't all that. Last season he got 5 goals and 3 assists in 32 matches. So he's averaging one goal every 5 games and an assist every 7 games in the league which is pretty poor.

He's just a youtube highlights player who looks all exciting at times without the end product, and it does make me laugh every time we are linked with a player regardless of who our manager is there's this notion that our manager will make said player go up a load of levels :D ....
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Interestingly enough, in a PL season where Eze put up his best ever numbers and Kudus apparently had a poor season for West Ham their numbers were not that different: https://one-versus-one.com/en/compare-players/Eberechi-Eze-vs-Mohammed-Kudus

I suspect that if you took Kudus' best season (his previous one) and compared with Eze's then Kudus would come out on top.
 
I like the idea of Kudus if it is a strategic move to imprive the squad AND Frank/Lange has identified him as someone he'd like to have brought into ghis squad.
However, if this is another opportunistic attempt to exploit West Ham's apparent tricky PSR position, well....
 
djp82 said:
No doubt he does have good attributes.

He was decent season before but nothing special.

He has plenty of shortfalls to his game. He runs down blind alleys , he fails to get his head up. His passing is mediocre at best and his final ball is not that good.

This leads back to something said in another thread. Linked with us and all of a sudden he’s a world beater.

Eze is a better player , Mbeumo to. Possibly even Semenyo.

He’s another player to add to our collection of ok ish players.Who play in similar positions

There’s talk of Romero fee funding this transfer online ( could be nonsense) but if we sell Romero for X amount and give it all to West Ham for Kudus that’s just brick business in my book.

If you look at our squad we need to spend the money in midfield. A top class 6 is important.

To add he may well thrive at the right club and I’d describe him as mercurial. Just in my view not what we need for the here and now. Spend the fee elsewhere
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I'm not convinced that Eze is a better player at all. I'm certainly not convinced that Eze was a better player than Kudus at the same age.

Personally I don't see that us signing a right sided attacker would be instead of us getting a central midfield player. I think with the outgoings we're likely to have this summer - Hojbjerg, Solomon, Gill as 3 definite sales and anywhere between one and three of Romero, Bissouma and Richarlison - we should easily have the money for a wide forward and a central midfield player. We can then decided whether another defender or attaching central midfield competition/cover for Maddison is the priority.

A great summer from here on in for me would be:
Kudus - £55m
Millot - £20m
Larsson - £50m

We'd get about half of that back from the fees for Hojbjerg, Solomon, Gill and Bissouma.
 
glorygloryeze said:
I like the idea of Kudus if it is a strategic move to imprive the squad AND Frank/Lange has identified him as someone he'd like to have brought into ghis squad.
However, if this is another opportunistic attempt to exploit West Ham's apparent tricky PSR position, well....
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So if we get him we can say it's opportunistic and if we miss out we can say we've let down the transfer dept...
 
Gutter Boy said:
I watched him for Plymouth live once. He played right side of a back 3. He seemed comfortable without standing out. Maybe a bit physically slight (he's tall, but skinny). No mistakes defensively. Tried to use the ball, but the quality of the midfielders in front of him in terms of offering options wasn't great.
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Not surprising that he looked a bit physically slight seeing as he had only recently turned 18 at that point.
 
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