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Thomas Frank - Head Coach

What about D: The players aren’t good enough.

In the summer with Son regressing and going, we should have been looking to improve him, Maddison and Solanke. (I still rate Maddison).

Instead we are now desperate for the latter 2 to return.

Nobody can look at yesterday’s lineup and think Richy and Odobert are good enough. And Kudus performances have dropped off.

With the gaping hole behind them, we’d basically conceded 2/3rds of the pitch before the game started.

I think yesterday was a combination of average players in a bad setup.
I will caveat this by saying our front players looked a lot better when on the front foot against Utd.

Doing that horrible job in a defensive setup where it’s punted up to you and you have to make it stick and build is a thankless task. We were lucky it worked through Kane and Son when we needed it to but it doesn’t suit the current guys at all. They need to be up around the box and have players with them to help.
 
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This is what happens when you don’t coach attacking play
You end up with custom and fear, just in case
And it’s not new
How come this happened last season under Ange if it's because we are coached caution? Hell it happened under and Jose also.
 
I see some people complain our poor attacking football this season is down to a poor squad. It may not be a top 4 squad, but it is a squad that is capable of playing much better football than this. Look at Sunderland ffs! They're ripping it up with a much inferior squad to our's. Won at Chelsea, drew at Arse.

I don't know why Frank persist with this brick style of play when it gets us nothing. It's baffling to expect more from the players when they're set up to fail every game.

We have zero energy in the midfield. Palhinha and Bentancur now just sit and protect the defence. They don’t press quickly, they don’t surge forwards. They sit. Whether that’s down to instruction on physical limitation is debatable.

We can afford one player to sit, to shield, we can’t afford a static midfield. We need our own version of Caicedo. One that won’t be as good as, for what it’s worth, I think that Caicedo is the best midfielder in the league especially at what he does. But we need that type of player. We don’t have one.

So then the question is, what do we do about it? And yesterday we played a two man static midfield against an Arsenal three man midfield and so were consequently second to everything and giving up too much space.

We needed a three man midfield. We needed to have Bergvall instead of Bentancur but I assume that he was unfit. I have been defending Bentancur a lot as I know how good he was, but perhaps it’s time to realise that that same Bentancur no longer exists consistently after his injury. Bergvall can at least carry the ball. But if he was unfit to return then who else was there?

I like Sarr but so often he appears a Jack of All Trades rather than to have specific skill set. He’s a decent player but he needs to be supported and developed to become great at something.

So we lack that big midfielder with energy, that is a defensive powerhouse and can press all day. So we definitely can’t get away with a two man midfield in a match like yesterday. So playing a back 5 in which Romero didn’t move forwards to pass often enough, VDV wasn’t able to take chances to surge forward and Danso who seems to be a last man standing, get it out of the box defender rather than anything else, was limited.

We are missing pieces, not only the above but we also have those players that we have set up incorrectly and we don’t use our players to the best of what they can do. They also aren’t fired up, and yes some of that should be the player, but the manager also has to be responsible. And it is in those areas that Thomas Frank failed yesterday.

We need a new midfielder. We need a left winger and we need a striker. Three big pieces of the puzzle. But let’s not pretend that all of the other pieces are perfectly aligned in the way that they ought to be.
 
The state of this thread.
It's gone from preseason where the experts told us Frank was the right man, who could get the most out of these players, to the same experts saying he's useless and we'll never get anywhere with him.
In 3 months.


I'll speak for myself.
When it was clear a change was going to be made last winter, I thought about all the names linked. For a club which operated as we did under Levy, I felt Thomas Frank was the right choice in all senses, right down to not necessarily demanding 'next level' players. I was concerned with the potential of Brentfordism, yet equally believed he could progress and develop into a creative-mindeed coach with better overall players.
I am all for patience and giving a manager time, and I want to see signs of direction, identity, resolve and resolution as that happens. My personal concern right now is that I cannot clearly see the first two; admittedly perhaps my vision is a bit off? However, there is a clear, clear disconnect between what he is telling us is happening during matches/how he is sending us out, versus what is actually happening. I actually felt early warning signs with the amount of satisfaction expressed over the PSG Final/friendly, a match where we played a top side still recovering from a summer tournament and a few weeks on the beach. Other than Emirates Marketing Project, it has been hard to see just how we intend to play/style ourselves. I am hopeful it is not the way we are currently setting up and playing. To that end, when Deki and Solanke come back, we will get a clearer picture of what his identity for us is...unless we already are?
I don't mind admitting that I am generally uncomfortable with where we are (especially as he was a Levy era appointment) and I also intrinsically believe a chance should be given to any new incumbent. It is fair to say I am torn right now. Common sense says he deserves the season and that I need to remember my expectations. However, those expectations did not mitigate for the sheer low standard of performances we've put in against the likes of arse and chelscum...
 
How come this happened last season under Ange if it's because we are coached caution? Hell it happened under and Jose also.
Don’t remember it happening with ange TBH. But do think we have players who have ben coached to be safety first. If you think that is something we did under Ange, then so be it
 
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This is what happens when you don’t coach attacking play
You end up with custom and fear, just in case
And it’s not new
But it was the same last season when they apparently weren't coached to defend.
Frank should not be absolved from any blame but we have been coughing up chance after chance since half way through Contes reign.
Our defence is porous and the midfield is weak.
 
Don’t remember it happening with ange TBH. But do think we have players who have ben coached to be safety first. If you think that is something we did under Ange, then so be it
Bro I think you've created this fantasy in your head where all we played was free flowing dynamic football. 🤣

That was not the case last year at all, it was stodgy, it was slow and non penetrative and that was with our backline stationer on the half way line and our entire team in the opposition half. My point is not to compare the managers but to point out it's a player issue not coaching, the genesis of the same problems were present then too. It played out differently because of the positioning of the players but the problem was the same.
 
But it was the same last season when they apparently weren't coached to defend.
Frank should not be absolved from any blame but we have been coughing up chance after chance since half way through Contes reign.
Our defence is porous and the midfield is weak.

It didn’t feel like chance after chance yesterday, other than the 4 goals (off an xGa of under 2) they had the rice and saka shots, that was pretty much it.

Other than yesterday, where mistakes gave up 3 shockers, we have defended better this season, and the xGa backs that up.
 
Bro I think you've created this fantasy in your head where all we played was free flowing dynamic football. 🤣

That was not the case last year at all, it was stodgy, it was slow and non penetrative and that was with our backline stationer on the half way line and our entire team in the opposition half. My point is not to compare the managers but to point out it's a player issue not coaching, the genesis of the same problems were present then too. It played out differently because of the positioning of the players but the problem was the same.
Your getting two things mixed up here
That throw in was passive
We were never passive under Ange or in reality most managers
Most try and impose their style on the opposition. Our current manager doesn’t
 
But it was the same last season when they apparently weren't coached to defend.
Frank should not be absolved from any blame but we have been coughing up chance after chance since half way through Contes reign.
Our defence is porous and the midfield is weak.
So why play defensively?
And why play 8 defensive players
If you have a weakness quantity over quality doesn’t always fix it
 
It didn’t feel like chance after chance yesterday, other than the 4 goals (off an xGa of under 2) they had the rice and saka shots, that was pretty much it.

Other than yesterday, where mistakes gave up 3 shockers, we have defended better this season, and the xGa backs that up.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought yesterday's score was off, felt like they scored with every chance and none of them were exactly easy.
Don't get me wrong they deserved the win, but I think the score was not indicative of their chances.
But we do give up a lot of chances, especially from that centre area around our 18 yard line, the time and space we allow teams is ridiculous.
 
So why play defensively?
And why play 8 defensive players
If you have a weakness quantity over quality doesn’t always fix it
I don't get it either, they were the team with the pressure, they needed the win, get the crowd going against them and see what they are made of.
Instead we went out and surrendered the pitch and possession.
 
I don't get it either, they were the team with the pressure, they needed the win, get the crowd going against them and see what they are made of.
Instead we went out and surrendered the pitch and possession.

As I said repeatedly…. The players reflect the manager
Maybe even more so here then other clubs
 
It didn’t feel like chance after chance yesterday, other than the 4 goals (off an xGa of under 2) they had the rice and saka shots, that was pretty much it.

Other than yesterday, where mistakes gave up 3 shockers, we have defended better this season, and the xGa backs that up.
It’s easy defending better when literally put the whole team out to do that
That’s the issue
It doesn’t take a lot of coaching to get everyone behind the ball
It does take coaching to get the team to balance attack and defence
We have no structure in our attack and the defensive structure seems to be about quantity of players
 
I'll speak for myself.
When it was clear a change was going to be made last winter, I thought about all the names linked. For a club which operated as we did under Levy, I felt Thomas Frank was the right choice in all senses, right down to not necessarily demanding 'next level' players. I was concerned with the potential of Brentfordism, yet equally believed he could progress and develop into a creative-mindeed coach with better overall players.
I am all for patience and giving a manager time, and I want to see signs of direction, identity, resolve and resolution as that happens. My personal concern right now is that I cannot clearly see the first two; admittedly perhaps my vision is a bit off? However, there is a clear, clear disconnect between what he is telling us is happening during matches/how he is sending us out, versus what is actually happening. I actually felt early warning signs with the amount of satisfaction expressed over the PSG Final/friendly, a match where we played a top side still recovering from a summer tournament and a few weeks on the beach. Other than Emirates Marketing Project, it has been hard to see just how we intend to play/style ourselves. I am hopeful it is not the way we are currently setting up and playing. To that end, when Deki and Solanke come back, we will get a clearer picture of what his identity for us is...unless we already are?
I don't mind admitting that I am generally uncomfortable with where we are (especially as he was a Levy era appointment) and I also intrinsically believe a chance should be given to any new incumbent. It is fair to say I am torn right now. Common sense says he deserves the season and that I need to remember my expectations. However, those expectations did not mitigate for the sheer low standard of performances we've put in against the likes of arse and chelscum...

What worries me about Frank is what appears to be a reluctance to play forward thinking midfielders.
Maybe it's their age, although none of them are exactly inexperienced, but it baffles me how few minutes Sarr, Bergvall and gray are getting.
Three players who when they receive the ball their instincts are to go forward.
Richie and kudus cannot do it all on their own.
 
What worries me about Frank is what appears to be a reluctance to play forward thinking midfielders.
Maybe it's their age, although none of them are exactly inexperienced, but it baffles me how few minutes Sarr, Bergvall and gray are getting.
Three players who when they receive the ball their instincts are to go forward.
Richie and kudus cannot do it all on their own.

Sarr and Bergvall played a lot until picking up injuries iirc.

Kudus has gone right off the boil and needs to pull his finger out.
 
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