Thomas Frank - Head Coach

[MartyFunkhouser]

I appreciate nuance, I appreciate as a whole, people should be willing to discuss more realistic solutions vs. easy answers but you are missing the beauty of sport and the fact that one off engagements is not the same as business/technical problem over years.

Buster Douglas beat Mike Tyson, numerous unseeded tennis players have beaten legends like Federer, Novak, Nadal, Leicester won the PL, according to you they should all have given up on it, been pragmatic, taken their loss.

You are taking about less than 5% of sporting success of all success in sport..............

They shouldn't have given up because that was their journey, but its certainly not the formula for long term success in any sport. Its also as much about others being off their game than it is anything else, thats why Mike Tyson went on to win another World Title and Leicester were since stinking up the joint in the Championship

If you want a new Tottenham built as I do, with a more sustained spell of success than the odd pot, up there year in year out with a team that reflects the balance sheet, then you are going to have to back the manager that comes in next for longer than 6 months otherwise you yourself will be in a constant state of flux and frustration, despite what any titans of industry manual tell you about life and sport. Thats not a defence of Frank BTW, thats a reality of Spurs as a club in which the data of the last 30 years falls in my favour when knowing how big a job is in the hands of whoever the manager is, Frank or otherwise

You need underdogs and filler to fill sport, nothing says they can't have their day, but if this clubs going to have more than "just its day" then some of our fans need more stomach than the constant idea of instamix success that some seem to believe exists

 

[Raziel]

You are taking about less than 5% of sporting success of all success in sport..............

They shouldn't have given up because that was their journey, but its certainly not the formula for long term success in any sport. Its also as much about others being off their game than it is anything else, thats why Mike Tyson went on to win another World Title and Leicester were since stinking up the joint in the League.

If you want a new Tottenham built as I do, with a more sustained spell of success than the odd pot and up there year in year out with a team that reflects the balance sheet then you are going to have to back the manager that comes in next for longer than 6 months otherwise you yourself will be in a constant state of flux and frustration, despite what any titans of industry manual tell you about life and sport. Thats not a defence of Frank BTW, thats a reality of Spurs as a club in which the data of the last 30 years falls in my favour when knowing how big a job is in the hands of whoever the manager is, Frank or otherwise

Talking across each other mate

- Yes, you have to plan and in that, 20+ years of data shows we provide the manager enough resources to be top 6
- But, a significant part of the managers job is to make the players believe they can do the 5% of success, that they can be more than the sum of the parts (while actually providing some coaching to create the platform). Listen to ex players, one of the common themes is never give players an excuse for results, they will take it every time.

Does the club need to do better? 100%, do we need to buy/invest more/better? 100%, does any of the long term requirements change the fact that Frank just isn't the guy? no, they are independent things.

 

[Baleforce]

I appreciate nuance, I appreciate as a whole, people should be willing to discuss more realistic solutions vs. easy answers but you are missing the beauty of sport and the fact that one off engagements is not the same as business/technical problem over years.

Buster Douglas beat Mike Tyson, numerous unseeded tennis players have beaten legends like Federer, Novak, Nadal, Leicester won the PL, according to you they should all have given up on it, been pragmatic, taken their loss.

Firstly, the PL isn't sport in its truest definition, no professional sport is, it's always business.

Regarding the underdogs, thats not what I'm saying at all, they had those successes because they were pragmatic, they analysed their strengths and the weakness of others, and absolutely hammered both.

Being pragmatic isn't about giving up, its about knowing what you have, and maximising for that.

 

[MartyFunkhouser]

Talking across each other mate

- Yes, you have to plan and in that, 20+ years of data shows we provide the manager enough resources to be top 6
- But, a significant part of the managers job is to make the players believe they can do the 5% of success, that they can be more than the sum of the parts (while actually providing some coaching to create the platform). Listen to ex players, one of the common themes is never give players an excuse for results, they will take it every time.

Does the club need to do better? 100%, do we need to buy/invest more/better? 100%, does any of the long term requirements change the fact that Frank just isn't the guy? no, they are independent things.

We have spent more money like a European power house in the last 10 years and have one trophy to show for it. Not sure how many managers and interims that accounts for but its enough to know that can't have all been the wrong manager.

Onto the next.............we continue with what seems to be our route to success............throwing darts

 

[Raziel]

We have spent more money like a European power house in the last 10 years and have one trophy to show for it. Not sure how many managers and interims that accounts for but its enough to know that can't have all been the wrong manager.

Onto the next.............we continue with what seems to be our route to success............throwing darts

Other bad decisions at the club don't make Frank a good decision, it actually probably confirms he's a brick call.

 

[MartyFunkhouser]

Other bad decisions at the club don't make Frank a good decision, it actually probably confirms he's a brick call.

It does when you consider those decisions have seriously impacted the quality and balance of this squad.