Thomas Frank - Head Coach

[Bedfordspurs]

We are in a much harder comp in the CL though and earlier in season with as big an injury crisis. Would you take TF throwing the CL for a better PL campaign?

No
But you were factually incorrect
And he hasn’t had as big an injury crisis has he?
I believe he has had plenty of first team players to choose from in every position
I may be wrong and he may have had to play gray at CB again…. I can’t remember TBH
But if we wanna talk about Ange again vs Frank then it’s getting boring

 

[Grays_1890]

No
But you were factually incorrect
And he hasn’t had as big an injury crisis has he?
I believe he has had plenty of first team players to choose from in every position
I may be wrong and he may have had to play gray at CB again…. I can’t remember TBH
But if we wanna talk about Ange again vs Frank then it’s getting boring

It's not factually incorrect, we don't have the luxury of accepting to dive bomb a comp like we did from Jan to navigate one of them better. That's just a fact, thats not about Ange v Frank thats just where this club is with the squad we have, that and the CL and PL as a combined two comps to navigate are hard work.

Personally I said it before, I would happily forgo the CL and get the Pl straight, just to put my money where my mouth is on the subject.

As for the injury crisis, there was a stat on here the other day, its the biggest in Europe with number of players missing and therefore games missing

 

[Muttley]

We are in a much harder comp in the CL though and earlier in season with as big an injury crisis. Would you take TF throwing the CL for a better PL campaign?

"throwing" is an interesting word.

I'd happily Frank plot his absolute best teams in the PL. Get some consistent line-ups and then let the CL fit around the PL being our no 1 priority.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

It's not factually incorrect, we don't have the luxury of accepting to dive bomb a comp like we did at the end of last season to navigate one of them better. That's just a fact, thats not about Ange v Frank thats just where this club is with the squad we have, that and the CL and PL as a combined two comps to navigate are hard work.

Personally I said it before, I would happily forgo the CL and get the Pl straight, just to put my money where my mouth is on the subject.

Frank does not have as many games to deal with as we did by this point last season. It’s not correct, that’s all

He also has a lot more players to choose from than we did last season even with injuries

But it’s a different season and that’s true too

I actually think without the CL Frank would look even worse although we have struggled in all the when apart from Copenhagen. The frequency of games give him time to say onto the next one. If he had a week for fans to stew before the next one it would be worse, IMO of course

 

[Bedfordspurs]

"throwing" is an interesting word.

I'd happily Frank plot his absolute best teams in the PL. Get some consistent line-ups and then let the CL fit around the PL being our no 1 priority.

I think he is trying that
He just doesn’t know his best team or set up
It’s so reactive to the last game and the opposition.
He got it right vs PSG (no mean feat) and went again with a very similar set up at home to Fulham. I don’t believe he would have done that formation if it hadn’t have worked in the main vs PSG
I think he is in the period of self doubt and maybe imposter syndrome now

 

[Grays_1890]

Frank does not have as many games to deal with as we did by this point last season. It’s not correct, that’s all

He also has a lot more players to choose from than we did last season even with injuries

But it’s a different season and that’s true too

I actually think without the CL Frank would look even worse although we have struggled in all the when apart from Copenhagen. The frequency of games give him time to say onto the next one. If he had a week for fans to stew before the next one it would be worse, IMO of course

I was comparing the end of last season, hence the giving up on games, which literally 90% of the fans have said we did at the end of last year to justify the form. My point was would they accept the same at this point of the season to see un upturn in league form to justify a concentration on resources, also given the injuries, which despite your constant protests is clearly an impact

 

[Bedfordspurs]

I was comparing the end of last season, hence the giving up on games, which literally 90% of the fans have said we did at the end of last year to justify the form. My point was would they accept the same at this point of the season to see un upturn in league form to justify a concentration on resources, also given the injuries, which despite your constant protests is clearly an impact

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Huge risk
And imo not one the club or fans would accept again
Last year we knew the goal and it was obvious (I booked my hotel last October)
This year the goal was to be better in the league and have a cup run.
But if we were going ok in the league I’d be ok with focusing on it
The issue is our data since day one has been bottom half and we have achieved record lows.

Would you as a club permit him to do that without a track record?

The injury numbers by the way, as I’ve repeated, include players who were out before the season began. I’m not even sure Maddison is in the squad as a named player, but imo it’s very very misleading
Now, If say him and maybe kulu had played the first 3 games and were clearly part of Frank’s style of play and then went missing…. I’d say that’s why. Could see that with Ange and also other managers because we know how they played

 

[Grays_1890]

Huge risk
And imo not one the club or fans would accept again
Last year we knew the goal and it was obvious (I booked my hotel last October)
This year the goal was to be better in the league and have a cup run.
But if we were going ok in the league I’d be ok with focusing on it
The issue is our data since day one has been bottom half and we have achieved record lows.

Would you as a club permit him to do that without a track record?

Then we need to accept some of the limits our resources have then IMO. Which the CL being the hardest comp on the planet, with the PL presents a much different proposition.

Anyway we wont agree

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Then we need to accept some of the limits our resources have then IMO. Which the CL being the hardest comp on the planet, with the PL presents a much different proposition.

Anyway we wont agree

Maybe
But the club would say we have brought you 4 new first team players to help with that

 

[monkeybarry]

I haven't been on Twitter for ages, but see today that there are rumors of the club supposedly having contacted three managers for potentially taking over the job. Make of that what you will! haha.

Gabriel Heinze
Chris Coleman
And....Kevin Lasagna as player manager (real player!)

That list is about as reliable as Twitter sauces

 

[billyiddo]

Frank does not have as many games to deal with as we did by this point last season. It’s not correct, that’s all

24/25 by 1st December
13 PL
2 League Cup
5 Europa League

25/26 by 1st December
13 PL
2 League Cup
5 Champions League

 

[Bedfordspurs]

24/25 by 1st December
13 PL
2 League Cup
5 Europa League

25/26 by 1st December
13 PL
2 League Cup
5 Champions League

And in December?
We played 2 more games didn’t we vs Pool
So Frank does not have as many games to deal with
Unless we’re saying managers don’t plan for future games

 

[SissokoWasGood (BoL)]

I think it’s hard to know whether it’s worth prioritising one competition or another at this stage. The CL makes it different because we’re never going to be favourites. That said, if we’re in the semis, and we’re 9th in the league, I’d absolutely be fine ‘throwing’ our PL games to increase our chances of winning the CL, even if it meant we finished 13th or something. But the calculation becomes more tricky if we’re still well within CL / EL qualification via the PL for next season.

Equally for the FA Cup. Would I be willing to ‘throw’ some league games to increase the odds of winning it? Probably, but only if we’re fully out of the contention of the league places. If we aren’t, it becomes a difficult consideration where we have to weigh it all up.

Of course last season there was no chance of the league places, and no chance of European football. There was probably no chance of a top half finish. So to me the play was obvious. Any increase in the chances of winning the EL, and taking away our chances of clawing back to 12th or something, I’d make that trade all day long.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

I think it’s hard to know whether it’s worth prioritising one competition or another at this stage. The CL makes it different because we’re never going to be favourites. That said, if we’re in the semis, and we’re 9th in the league, I’d absolutely be fine ‘throwing’ our PL games to increase our chances of winning the CL, even if it meant we finished 13th or something. But the calculation becomes more tricky if we’re still well within CL / EL qualification via the PL for next season.

Equally for the FA Cup. Would I be willing to ‘throw’ some league games to increase the odds of winning it? Probably, but only if we’re fully out of the contention of the league places. If we aren’t, it becomes a difficult consideration where we have to weigh it all up.

Of course last season there was no chance of the league places, and no chance of European football. There was probably no chance of a top half finish. So to me the play was obvious. Any increase in the chances of winning the EL, and taking away our chances of clawing back to 12th or something, I’d make that trade all day long.

Benefit with the CL is it’s a league so you get extra lives
And let’s be honest… we have mainly got opposition that would be Europa standard hence why we played some of them last season
It’s a luxury and maybe that’s where you try new things like we did vs psg