• Dear Guest, Please note that adult content is not permitted on this forum. We have had our Google ads disabled at times due to some posts that were found from some time ago. Please do not post adult content and if you see any already on the forum, please report the post so that we can deal with it. Adult content is allowed in the glory hole - you will have to request permission to access it. Thanks, scara

Thomas Frank - Former Head Coach

I'm not comparing them as managers and outcomes.

Its the wider point of fan behaviour.
(Btw I have no clue as to United fans dissection of Amorin, hence the question marks)

I can appreciate why the fans would want to move on. I just want someone, anyone in the media to say ‘oh my GHod that appointment was absolutely terrible! He was so poorly suited and nearly relegated them!’ but it’s just not gonna happen. Very weird.
 
What's also being forgotten is that we got more points this season. This season was unprecedented in the amount of points you could have and still finish 18th. You didn't have the comfort blanket of knowing that there were 3 awful teams who were getting relegated and every game from about March onwards was a dead rubber. Last season would have been very different if the bottom of the league table had the same dynamics as this year.

Indeed...up to and including winning the cup. Ange got credit for winning it, and for diverting energies and focus away from the league. Fair enough, he seized an opportunity that just so happened to become available to him in that particular season. But as you indicate, the outcomes may well been more challenging, harder, and/or different if the bottom 3 had been stronger that season.
 
Last edited:
Indeed...up to and including winning the cup. Ange got credit for winning it, and for diverting energies and focus away from the league. Fair enough, he seized an opportunity that just so happened to become available to him in that particular season. But as you indicate, the outcomes may well been more challenging, harder, and/or different if the bottom 3 had been stronger that season.

I think most people know I would always give massive credit to Ange for winning that cup. Our club needed that and he delivered it. Fair play. I've also said I would have loved him to just adopt one philosophy across league and cups for the final third of season regardless of the eleven that take the field. He visibly didn't and we were completely porous in the league. It was unacceptable to me.

I just think fans need to be able to tell the difference between the cards that are dealt season to season. To be fair, a lot do.

I'm cautiously optimistic about next season. I'm sure by August I'll be delusionally optimistic like always. :cool:
 
Bayern, to a lesser extent PSG, and Chelsea.

Hear me out here -

Bayern - basically win the league every year even with a plank of wood in charge. Kompany isn't exactly Conte in terms of emotional intensity.

PSG - see above. Their elevation to European success came with Luis Enrique, but they're rich enough that anyone can coach them and win Ligue 1 at a minimum.

Chelsea - they win things even when in utter chaos, and regardless of the manager. Dour Avram Grant won something with Chelsea, iirc. So did di Matteo, later of West Brom. Enzo Maresca, quiet systems coach from Leicester. And so on. Comes down to them always spending billions on the best squad, that (until recently, anyway) just worked to keep them winning.

In all these cases, the clubs have structural advantages that allow them to win regardless of the coach. We aren't that - we have no advantages relative to the rest of the big boys. So we need a messiah to pull us over the line.



For sure mate. I don't mean nutcase messiah pejoratively - more that you need to be a little bit crazy to believe in Spurs and what you can do at the club, even when no one else does. In my experience, all those that inspire loyalty in others have that attribute - a slightly crazy amount of self belief and the ability to make others believe, too.

Someone who comes in saying 'we will lose games' is right, analytically speaking. But all wrong, personality wise. Poch, Ange and now (looks like) de Zerbi - all of them know how to get people believing in impossible causes. You need that at Spurs. You don't elsewhere.

IMG_5441.jpeg
 
Back