Grays_1890
Tommy Harmer
I thank Troy P for not being able to finish
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The 'If You Still Need to Purge Yourself Of Ange' Thread
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Oh he's definitely marmite, that much is evident
Of course some things went right for him, as you say you need to in any cup competition to win - but considering the amount of injuries we'd had to contend with over the season I think we deserved whatever little bits of luck came our way.And I'm purely talking about the attempt to make out our European win was easy/the least that should be achieved. It's never ever that easy at Spurs and he deserves credit for it, the attempts of some to downplay it because of a dislike for Ange is cringeworthy. The PL is a different beast like you say, and a different story for Ange altogether....
The ridiculous decision was hiring him in the first place, an even more ridiculous was sacking Nuno.
markysimmo
Johnny nice-tits
K.D.D.D.D.Soc
Dimitar Berbatov
I knew my old mum could hold a grudge but she was just playing at it compared to some people on here, it's over, let it go, move on.
Chrissivad
John Lacy
Grays_1890
Tommy Harmer
Even more thankful then haha
Mikey10
Christian Ziege
Naive Ange Postecoglou could be the least effective Premier League manager ever | Barney Ronay
At no stage did the Australian coach seem to understand the assignment he had been given at Nottingham Forest
SissokoWasGood (BoL)
Paul Stalteri
Naive Ange Postecoglou could be the least effective Premier League manager ever | Barney Ronay
At no stage did the Australian coach seem to understand the assignment he had been given at Nottingham Forestwww.theguardian.com
I like Barney Ronay, but I think any accounting of Ange’s time in the PL calling him the least effective PL manager ever has to take into account the combination of ridiculous injuries and insane schedule we had last season. To not do so is a poor attempt at caricaturing someone even when he says that’s not what he’s doing. Or to mention he took a Kane-less Spurs to 5th, after finishing 8th, and uniting the club again after the horrendous saga of the post Poch years.
Let’s say he didn’t have the crazy injuries, but still prioritised the Europa, still won it, but finished 9th. Does he still get to be told he’s the least effective PL manager ever?
Baleforce
Mark Falco
His training methods and lack of rotation caused the injuries.
His refusal to get out of the domestic cups as soon as possible caused the "insane schedule", which wasn't actually that different to most recent years.
Ange is easy to caricature, he's a fudging clown, as he has again proven by turning Forest into the worst team in the country in a matter of weeks.
Finishing 9th is a hell of a lot better than 17th, but would still be sack worthy for a Spurs manager with that squad.
He is without question, the worst manager in PL history, the Ali Dia of the dugout.
Silly McSilly Face
Alan Hutton
The "ridiculous injuries" are a product of Ange. Who says so? Ange himself: "they're a product of the way I train and play".
DeanoAustin
Paul Walsh
This “finished 8th the season before”…I’ve heard Ange trot it out a bit. It’s spin to an extent though isn’t it because that finish was an anomaly and came in unusual circumstances. That’s not where we were as a club. The season imploded after Conte combusted. When he went, we were 3rd or 4th of I’m not mistaken (albeit teams had games in hand).
Ange talks like he got us back into Europe after years in the wilderness which is the kind of inference and spin he doesn’t like coming in the opposite direction.
For me, he had a good first season which was in parts brilliant and in parts shaky, an appalling/incompetent second season but did well to win the Europa. He deserved the sack IMO.
He’s then gone and taken a job that was wholly unsuitable for him and may have ruined his career at this level.
Silly McSilly Face
Alan Hutton
Couldn't have summed it up better if i tried.
SissokoWasGood (BoL)
Paul Stalteri
Even if we had finished 6th (which was par for the club in the post Poch years) and then he had gotten us 5th, it’s still a decent achievement. I don’t think it’s the greatest achievement ever, but in the realm of ‘is this guy lucky to get a PL job, is he a clown, or is he worthy’ I think he’s worthy.
I don’t much disagree with what you’re saying. But I maintain that if the debate on Ange in the pundit class was more nuanced generally, he wouldn’t feel the need to spin his achievements so much. He is arguing specifically against the idea that he is a clown who is lucky to have a PL job. Because the debate around him is so extreme, he is defending his position.
SissokoWasGood (BoL)
Paul Stalteri
If you’re going to quote him, quote him properly in context. He said there is an initial period of adjustment and players then adapt.
SissokoWasGood (BoL)
Paul Stalteri
My point wasn’t that the schedule itself was insane. It’s par for the course if a team is fighting late in the Carbao and in Europe. My point was that the level of injuries for a team that had that schedule was insane. I don’t remember another team that with that schedule suffering the level of injuries that we did.
As for the other stuff, clown, the Ali Dia of managers. Cool, really nice.