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***Spurs vs Saudi Sportswashing Machine***, League Cup, 29th October 2025 at St James Park

I've said this over and over but all football stakeholders (players, managers, fans, pundits etc) should never stop talking about the state of refereeing until we see change. We see so many RIP Football moments because of them. Football history rewrites itself all the time because of them.

Kavanagh was an absolute disgrace. If you measured his performance against the pure laws of the game, he wouldn't have broken 60% last night. They need to be above 90% before we'll see the game back. 10% to allow for some subjectivity, and technology supporting them achieves this easy.

I would take Howard Webb and give him his P45. He's made it a lot worse since taking over.

He was rubbish.

But it’s absolutely ridiculous to not have VAR.
 
All true but then I don't know what people expect when they say Premier League proven. We are never going to buy the very best players that Arsenal, Emirates Marketing Project, Chelsea, Man Utd and Liverpool etc already have. Nor are we even going to prise the best players away from the likes of Saudi Sportswashing Machine, Villa or even Nottingham Forest it appears. So when people ask for PL proven what are they expecting exactly? PL proven for us means exactly the standard of player we've been buying from the PL in recent years.
That’s exactly the expectation the club has set and fans have now accepted.

You honestly don’t think that the likes of the list below are obtainable for us if we REALLY wanted them and upped the ante. I’m not saying we should have signed all or any of these, but I think we COULD have if we were a little less frugal. Most of that list would have improved our LW or Striker issues - and most have more to give (higher ceiling).

Good scouts should have realised Johnson’s limitations.

*I know someone will reply with a specific reason we didn’t sign one of the particular players on the list but I’m just giving general examples.

There’s also a huge pool abroad but I know that’s the not the topic of this post.

Watkins
Rogers
Semenyo
Bowen
Sarr (Palace)
Madueke
Gordon
Mateta
Neto
Gibbs White
Cunha
Mbuemo
Delap
Savinho
Mitoma
 
I’m not saying he’s one of our best signings ever, I’m just saying that someone scoring 18 goals in a season including the winning one in a European final allows him to scrape up from beyond the chaff that is actually in line to be our worst ever signing.
Mate, you have to realise that Bishop didn’t like Johnson from the start, every time Johnson (again Ole Ole) scored a goal Bishop would double down that he was rubbish.

When Johnson scored the winner in the Europa League final, winning us our first European trophy in 41 years, whilst the rest of us were crying tears of joy in celebration Bishop’s toes were curling as he was sitting there trying to work out how he could still try to get across an opinion that Johnson is ‘one of our worst signings ever’…. Not Lo Celso or Soldado or Ndombele or Chiriches or David Bentley or even Paulo fcuking Tremazani but Brennan Johnson.

Sometimes you just have to realise that a person can have an irrational hatred of a player and can always see all of the bad and never any of the good. I had it with Eric Dier. I got more and more angry every time he ducked under a ball or positioned himself as far as possible from being able to stop a chance. Though at I least I stopped short of a laughable ‘one of our worst signings ever ever’ comment’.
 
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Would you have started VdV tonight? Kudus? Vicario? All in need of rest?
I think that if we want to push on and get back to thew Champions League Final we did reach in 2019 when (frankly) no-one ever thought we would that year let alone ever, then we have to get back into it. Yes. So a 5th place (or better, 4th place) finish is important. So as we can hopefully actually have a board who makes the correct signings once back at that level.
If we beat Chelski and Copenhagen in the coming week, that's what matters.

This comes from someone who believes last season's Europa League triumph is actually one of the most extraordinary things to have happened in professional football for well over two decades. It was the ultimate 'double or nothing' high-stakes gambling for high rewards. And given the fudgery which took place around it, twas all the better. However yes, count me in the group that thinks the Carabao Cup is a tinpot rubbish tournament which our injury-soaked squad did not need.
I would rather finish 6th and play in the Europa League again next year (and then have a proper crack at winning it again, sacrificing league position to do so) than sneak into the CL again via a 4th or 5th place finish.
 
That’s exactly the expectation the club has set and fans have now accepted.

You honestly don’t think that the likes of the list below are obtainable for us if we REALLY wanted them and upped the ante. I’m not saying we should have signed all or any of these, but I think we COULD have if we were a little less frugal. Most of that list would have improved our LW or Striker issues - and most have more to give (higher ceiling).

Good scouts should have realised Johnson’s limitations.

*I know someone will reply with a specific reason we didn’t sign one of the particular players on the list but I’m just giving general examples.

There’s also a huge pool abroad but I know that’s the not the topic of this post.

Watkins
Rogers
Semenyo
Bowen
Sarr (Palace)
Madueke
Gordon
Mateta
Neto
Gibbs White
Cunha
Mbuemo
Delap
Savinho
Mitoma
Agree completely.

As an aside, I remember when we were linked to Gordon when he was being sold by Everton. Myself and a pretty small number of others wanted him but a large majority on here were saying he was rubbish.
 
Agree completely.

As an aside, I remember when we were linked to Gordon when he was being sold by Everton. Myself and a pretty small number of others wanted him but a large majority on here were saying he was rubbish.

Interestingly, before that debate I wanted Harvey Barnes. I wasn't on GG at the time but remember stating how good a player he is.

He was fantastic last night and showed a lot about their squad depth.

Both are players that would have been great in a Spurs shirt.
 
I'm saying the ref saw it as a yellow card tackle. Everything after that is "standard" and imo stupid. The player making the tackle gets rewarded for everything that happens after that.

And while VAR clearly has MASSIVE faults and limitations… I wonder if the ref would have been asked to go to the monitor? This sort of ‘tackle’ being inexplicably missed by officials is one of the main reasons that we have VAR.
 
And while VAR clearly has MASSIVE faults and limitations… I wonder if the ref would have been asked to go to the monitor? This sort of ‘tackle’ being inexplicably missed by officials is one of the main reasons that we have VAR.
One would hope so, though I fail to see how a ref can miss a thigh high scissor tackle from behind in the first place?
 
That’s an easy one - based on the rest of the match - It’s because he’s not fit to referee.

That's the most frustrating part for me. PGMOL was designed to screen hundreds and hundreds of referees and assistant referees. The process was about making the sure the cream rise to the top. I watch some step 5 football and see some good refs that I believe are better than the PL ones. Problem is the PGMOL process doesn't seem to get these guys promoted into the elite category. So we end up with Chris Kavanaghs. It's 25 years old as a function and failing badly.

Personally, if I were the new football regulator I would rip the budget away from PGMOL and re-invent the entire thing. I would not let the PL have any influence over it at all just because they collect money from Sky and fund PGMOL. Thery had their chance. The broadcasting companies would be told that the budget is coming direct. Then the Howard Webb's of this world would be walked out the door.

They are making the reasonably simple things extremely complex with completely the wrong strategy. It is so much easier than we see every week if you have the right people and process.
 
He was rubbish.

But it’s absolutely ridiculous to not have VAR.

It made the game much more exciting though, as you know everything that was happening would matter. It wouldn't be wound back 10 minutes to find a minor technicality to disallow everything that had been going on.
 
frustrating thing is I didn't think we were bad, thought we played OK other than the first 20 minutes or so.

You could see what we were doing

We should have gone in at 1-1 at HT and then it's a different game

Not overly bothered about going out

We desperately need attacking players in Jan, lucky for us the board have said they have changed......
 
It made the game much more exciting though, as you know everything that was happening would matter. It wouldn't be wound back 10 minutes to find a minor technicality to disallow everything that had been going on.
I personally don't mind waiting for VAR, and you also get to celebrate some goals twice. The problem with VAR, is the bloke that can't see a high scissor kick tackle right in front of him, is also responsible for pushing the buttons.
 
That’s exactly the expectation the club has set and fans have now accepted.

You honestly don’t think that the likes of the list below are obtainable for us if we REALLY wanted them and upped the ante. I’m not saying we should have signed all or any of these, but I think we COULD have if we were a little less frugal. Most of that list would have improved our LW or Striker issues - and most have more to give (higher ceiling).

Good scouts should have realised Johnson’s limitations.

*I know someone will reply with a specific reason we didn’t sign one of the particular players on the list but I’m just giving general examples.

There’s also a huge pool abroad but I know that’s the not the topic of this post.

Watkins
Rogers
Semenyo
Bowen
Sarr (Palace)
Madueke
Gordon
Mateta
Neto
Gibbs White
Cunha
Mbuemo
Delap
Savinho
Mitoma
It's not that I think we can't sign the majority of them, it's just that I know we won't. Some of those I'd want and some I wouldn't.
 
Mate, you have to realise that Bishop didn’t like Johnson from the start, every time Johnson (again Ole Ole) scored a goal Bishop would double down that he was rubbish.

When Johnson scored the winner in the Europa League final, winning us our first European trophy in 41 years, whilst the rest of us were crying tears of joy in celebration Bishop’s toes were curling as he was sitting there trying to work out how he could still try to get across an opinion that Johnson is ‘one of our worst signings ever’…. Not Lo Celso or Soldado or Ndombele or Chiriches or David Bentley or even Paulo fcuking Tremazani but Brennan Johnson.

Sometimes you just have to realise that a person can have an irrational hatred of a player and can always see all of the bad and never any of the good. I had it with Eric Dier. I got more and more angry every time he ducked under a ball or positioned himself as far as possible from being able to stop a chance. Though at I least I stopped short of a laughable ‘one of our worst signings ever ever’ comment’.
I felt the same way about Dier tbh, but at least you understand even if you for some weirdo reason rate Johnson.

I don't even hate him, I just think he's bloody awful and watching his fail at doing the basics is just painful to watch. But hey keep players like him and then wonder why the attack is brick. 🤷🏿‍♂️
 
It's not that I think we can't sign the majority of them, it's just that I know we won't. Some of those I'd want and some I wouldn't.
I feel the board is now under pressure to show change, they have promised change.... so that list of players (I agree it's hit and miss) should be like the one we are shopping on
 
Asides from a couple of players that list is a mix of flavour of the month and players no better than what we have imv - I'd hope we're targeting a lot better.

If we can move towards Solanke Kudus Muani Xavi starting games regularly we should be in a better place. Kulusevski & Maddison being available would make our frontline look better too.
 
Asides from a couple of players that list is a mix of flavour of the month and players no better than what we have imv - I'd hope we're targeting a lot better.
That's largely the issue with the cry for PL proven. We can't get the very best because they are already stationed and performing for the other Top 6 sides, so really people are asking for the best of the rest which is what we have been in recent years anyway, sure we've done it badly but that's what we've done. If specifically target PL players you are almost by definition picking from the 2nd or 3rd tier. Which I think is the complaint in the first place.
 
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