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Sick sick world what is wrong with people

tommysvr said:
What are you actually trying to say? That anyone from any country, race, religion, gender etc can commit horrendous crimes? If so, great, we agree.
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Yes. Just that some are more likely because of the bad situations in those countries.

The environment can get better asz A person born in Bosnia in 1992 during the war vs a peaceful time in 2022 as an example. The person in 1992 is more likely to have issues which could be violent tendencies because they will of had a lot of negative experiences.
 
This is just my view on all this crap. I think people need to think about the people that lead the rhetoric. What is their motive. Farage, Trump and Musk have two key objectives - tax avoidance and grow their wealth.

Stopping the boats became a bigger issue after the Panama files and the UK and EU talked about banning tax havens. Us mere mortals were looking at people not paying their taxes. So of a sudden, these people start barking about immigrants. The issue isn't tax avoidance, the issue is where the tax income is going.

The easiest way to change the narrative is imagery and messaging that creates fear. Farage avoiding paying tax is less scary than the coloured people will steal your kids and rape the women. Game over.

What people need to stop doing is believing everything on social media. If you have an opinion on this topic, first research it.

Let's also clear another thing up, the racism we have today is not just white Vs coloured. Browns and blacks are siding with Reform and Tories. Heck Kemi even thinks people should forget their heritage and just be English. Everyone is following the winning rhetoric. I am actually ashamed of Indians, including members of my family, that support Reform. Most of them want to maintain their culture whilst supporting Reform and Tories - how is that possible? They are telling you to be more English and that this is a Christian country. It's this level of stupidity where culture and "values" don't mix. Before anyone calls me racist for saying that, I hate everyone equally, except Arsenal fans...I hate them more. I am formerly sikh but I am a Punjabi Jedi - that is the religion I put down. I believe religion is the cause or justification of this flimflam because the rich use it as a tool to control and to turn the masses on each other.

So here is a question, is anyone actually looking at what's happening? Before having an opinion on whether immigration policies are working, go Google it. Look for the data. Are the number of illegal immigrants increasing? Do we have more boats? Do we spend more on hotels? What percentage of tax income is going on this. What happens to tax income of the avoiders actually pay. What ethnicity groups commit the most rapes and child assaults? Look at the trends of the last 25 years, look at who is in power during the different time periods. Actually understand what you are seeing. We have all this knowledge at our fingertips and we use it scroll Instagram, watch the boosted posts and think there is no way that person is lying - we are the fools for doing that

People have a responsibility to do their research to understand and back their own views. As a society, our rich are trying to manipulate everyone - the most vulnerable fall first and start parroting the flimflam, and then it works it's way up. We all have to be better. For those that think they are smarter than the average bear, the responsibility is to understand where people are coming from, and educate not on the opinion but on the data to back the opinion. Teach people to be better, and we have a chance of stopping this flimflam.

Crime is going to happen. There has been no period of time or country or religion that has never had crime. No one country is better. dingdongheads exist everywhere. Growing up in a war torn country didn't make you a criminal. Your actions do. Growing up somewhere exotic doesn't make you a druglord or rapist - probably means you have better tasting food... That's it.
 
robp135 said:
Yes. Just that some are more likely because of the bad situations in those countries.

The environment can get better asz A person born in Bosnia in 1992 during the war vs a peaceful time in 2022 as an example. The person in 1992 is more likely to have issues which could be violent tendencies because they will of had a lot of negative experiences.
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Right. But a man who grew up in XYZ rough town in England might have a greater tendency for violence than someone who grew up in XYZ affluent town. It is literally just environment — nationality does not have to enter the argument whatsoever.

If you want to go down the line of nationality with regards to who is allowed in to the country…good luck with that.
 
monkeybarry said:
Why do you only highlight events when the criminal isn't white or British?

That's rhetorical - it's because you're a racist.
I feel sorry for your daughter.
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I agree with all of this but like the others I think getting this personal feels like a line crossed. I feel sorry for people he has influence over but I feel like mentioning kids is just crass.

And also I got no doubt he's a very good father tbh.
 
Rafa87 said:
This idea that a more horrific crime (which this is in Belfast btw) is some sort of ‘gotcha’ moment that proves a point is nonsense to me. We’re led to believe he tried to cut this guys eyes out… now, anyone that does that isn’t a well human being. That level of aggression and let’s call it …nastiness. That isn’t something that is just readily programmed in. Whilst we should all be able to work it out, let’s make it clear because there are a couple of actual racists on this site, the Qu’ran, nor any other holy book or text tells you to cut people’s eyes out in this manner either.
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Such a great post mate, I wanted to drill in on this part because its a part I have been pondering alot reading this thread unfold. The point you make is one that people love to refute with the whole "here we go, always blaming mental health" but its clear as day, to any normal person that if you are going down the street and you decide to gouge someone's eyes out you are equal parts evil and mentally unwell, like any criminal who has decided to act out a crime of this level of grotesque. Its no different to any major killer or serial killer in history in that respect.

People for whatever reason, and to be honest, I can't be bothered to go down the route of why, but many just go down the route of claiming that its nothing to do with evil and mental health but everything to do with where the person comes from and their religion.

I also think in terms of hypocrisy @monkeybarry I think was spot on about guns in America. Its easy to point to the Quran and claim its the source of crimes that come out of Islam, but are Americans so quick to look at the second amendment and the right to bear arms when another bunch of school kids are massacred? Or like Belfast, is it a case that evil and someone who is mentally unstable..............

Going off on a massively random tangent with the last point, but I find the UK a really fascinating country in its fascination with glamourising of crime and criminality, people are obsessed with hero worshipping the likes of the Krays or keeping the Rise of the footsoldier franchise going, because that level of evil looks glamourous. The glamour of Saturday at the football, sniffing stuff bought off organised criminals, who put that money into human trafficking and forced prostitution, only to then get on phones and berate a whole religion because they care so much about women. Although all of that criminality is every bit as grotesque as what happened in Belfast, just in different ways. I am being fairly light hearted with that point, but I do honestly think there is truth to it.

Anyway thats my 50p worth, I have enjoyed not being part of this debate and seeing others takes, so will continue to watch from the side lines
 
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It's fair to say the majority of the racist violence in Belfast was committed by Unionists. Blame all Protestants for Pogroms in that case and ban them from travel to UK mainland. Genuinely outrageous concept.
 
thfcsteff said:
And to everyone who denies the negative power of hateful rhetoric spun by opportunists on the grift, here's more proof. Awful.
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It's shocking. I don't blame the rich, they protecting their money. I blame the people consuming the rhetoric. It's poorly worded but I don't know how else to say this crap anymore.

Imagine if people stopped saying "stop the boats" and instead said "pay your taxes".
 
parj said:
It's shocking. I don't blame the rich, they protecting their money. I blame the people consuming the rhetoric. It's poorly worded but I don't know how else to say this crap anymore.

Imagine if people stopped saying "stop the boats" and instead said "pay your taxes".
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Who in their right mind continues to put money into a gofund me when the person collecting took the money meant for legal and escaped to Spain and was clearly off his cake hole using drugs?

"give me your money to fight the left and legal.........

...........actually here I am in Spain, see the new Trainers, sons dripped head to toe in Gucci............

............donate here"

The bloke even stood up in court saying he lost hundreds of thousands on gambling sites

IF you donate to idiots like that, then you honestly need your head checking, they are literally playing people for fools and the people are taking it, swallowing it..........I honestly can't get my head round it
 
parj said:
It's shocking. I don't blame the rich, they protecting their money. I blame the people consuming the rhetoric. It's poorly worded but I don't know how else to say this crap anymore.

Imagine if people stopped saying "stop the boats" and instead said "pay your taxes".
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My mind always goes to this. The Simpsons always have it covered.

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tommysvr said:
My mind always goes to this. The Simpsons always have it covered.

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Just seen this which is on the same theme.....

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MartyFunkhouser said:
Such a great post mate, I wanted to drill in on this part because its a part I have been pondering alot reading this thread unfold. The point you make is one that people love to refute with the whole "here we go, always blaming mental health" but its clear as day, to any normal person that if you are going down the street and you decide to gouge someone's eyes out you are equal parts evil and mentally unwell, like any criminal who has decided to act out a crime of this level of grotesque. Its no different to any major killer or serial killer in history in that respect.

People for whatever reason, and to be honest, I can't be bothered to go down the route of why, but many just go down the route of claiming that its nothing to do with evil and mental health but everything to do with where the person comes from and their religion.
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I think you are right about this. But if you are in a situation where youncannot handle a mental health epidemic within the native population, shouldn’t you then be more wary about adding to that people from counties where there has been war, violence without any mental health support.

MartyFunkhouser said:
I also think in terms of hypocrisy @monkeybarry I think was spot on about guns in America. Its easy to point to the Quran and claim its the source of crimes that come out of Islam, but are Americans so quick to look at the second amendment and the right to bear arms when another bunch of school kids are massacred? Or like Belfast, is it a case that evil and someone who is mentally unstable..............
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It’s a fair point about the second amendment. Americans are brainwashed by guns tbh.

MartyFunkhouser said:
Going off on a massively random tangent with the last point, but I find the UK a really fascinating country in its fascination with glamourising of crime and criminality, people are obsessed with hero worshipping the likes of the Krays or keeping the Rise of the footsoldier franchise going, because that level of evil looks glamourous. The glamour of Saturday at the football, sniffing stuff bought off organised criminals, who put that money into human trafficking and forced prostitution, only to then get on phones and berate a whole religion because they care so much about women. Although all of that criminality is every bit as grotesque as what happened in Belfast, just in different ways. I am being fairly light hearted with that point, but I do honestly think there is truth to it.

Anyway thats my 50p worth, I have enjoyed not being part of this debate and seeing others takes, so will continue to watch from the side lines
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Not sure if that’s exclusive to the UK. In Europe you still have the Ultras at football. In the US they love the Mafia. Godfather 1 & 2 and The Sopranos will be viewed as the best Film and TV shows of all time in every country. True Crime is massive. Mike Tyson would get mobbed anywhere in the world and it’s been almost 30 years since he won a meaningful fight.
 
thfcsteff said:
Just read this, will read it again in the next day or so because it deserves some time.
I hope the effort taken to explain and articulate your views for the sake of open discussion is recognised.

I think there are some truths in the second part and also some clear, clear reasons why these things have happened. The overreach with DEI, etc? That's because for far far too long nobody cared whatsoever and the system(s) was/were enormously unfair and prejudiced. I wholly disagree with your George Floyd/police conflation as you know. I am old enough to remember the SPG and their like. The Windrush generation hold horror stories. There was massive institutional racism in the police force and it needed sorting. As for the assimilation/lack of, much of that also comes from an outside hostility which creates fear, which creates isolation. It's happening now, again, and the isolation will become worse for it.

Again, there is lots of cause and effect behind much of what you've mentioned. When it comes to extremism in any culture, I think we're all in the same place; no thank you.
And that is what I hope we arrive at, a place with tolerance for all and a place where discussion can lead to positive change. For sure I disagree with several things you've said in the second-half, however I personally appreciate your efforts to honestly articulate yourself.
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I did say they DEI was needed. Just that it went over board or has at least been mis managed…..probably by the white people that got involved lol
 
Unionists are pushing for a united Ireland now, apparently.

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