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Leeds Spur

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fudged.

National Front with record vote.

Why did 6.5 million people vote for them? These people aren't right wing, they are unashamed. I can understand why they feel how they feel. Holland, Italy, Scandinavia to name a few where the far right have prospered where liberal governments ignore the genuine concerns of the masses.

I see Hollande has dismissed the vote as being 'mislead' yes that's right, patronise them further.

The result for France will be economic ruin. Within 3 months of him being elected they will have a crisis. You can slag the markets all you want, but not if you've got your begging bowl out for billions of euros to prop up your massive welfare state.
 
From the limited amounts I've read on Hollande his policies will ruin them or set them back years. Wants massive top tax rates, financial transaction tax etc even if no other countries want it.

Can see a fair few french financial institutions coming to London soon.
 
Yep. Plus any French person who actually wants to get ahead in life. London is the 6th largest French city for a reason.
 
Leeds Spur said:
fudged.

National Front with record vote.

Why did 6.5 million people vote for them? These people aren't right wing, they are unashamed. I can understand why they feel how they feel. Holland, Italy, Scandinavia to name a few where the far right have prospered where liberal governments ignore the genuine concerns of the masses.

I see Hollande has dismissed the vote as being 'mislead' yes that's right, patronise them further.

The result for France will be economic ruin. Within 3 months of him being elected they will have a crisis. You can slag the markets all you want, but not if you've got your begging bowl out for billions of euros to prop up your massive welfare state.
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Could be the death knell for the eurozombie though.\o/
 
If we had a leader who was worth anything then more would be mande of CAP and how much their farmers steal off of us. Without that i think they would struggle a lot more, cameron should have been saying this everytime sarkosy was going on about us having no industry.

May not suprise anyone who has ever read anything i write on politics but i hate the EU and everything it now stands for.

Who will the far right stand with in the second round? makes you wonder about the french they have far more rights in their country then we have in england yet the far right here never get such big votes in the elections, thank GHod.
 
Not gonna lie not totally
Clued up on it saw a bit yesterday I assumed that the 20% who voted national front would hardly vote now for hollande the liberal? And would vote sarkozy? Or will they refuse to vote now? Sorry for being complete idiot
 
WhoopWhoop said:
Not gonna lie not totally
Clued up on it saw a bit yesterday I assumed that the 20% who voted national front would hardly vote now for hollande the liberal? And would vote sarkozy? Or will they refuse to vote now? Sorry for being complete idiot
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that is what i thought that they would go for sarkosy as the better of two evils.
 
Its not as simple as that, a lot of those voters are actually working class who feel disenfranchised with the current system, with Sarkozy's government. They may not necessarily actually be far right in ideology but they wanted a protest vote and Le Pen spoke their language on immigration, jobs, the EU, NATO etc. Some of these are people who would usually be voting for Hollande or Melenchon.

Le Pen has implied that she'd prefer Hollande to win so that UMP collapses and she becomes the main opposition. But I don't think they'll explicitly endorse a candidate and I don't think their supporters will vote as a block either, there are all kinds of reasons to vote for Le Pen.


This was the working class vote:

according to Ipsos: LePen 30%, Hollande 27%, Sarkozy 18%, Melenchon 12%, Bayrou 8%

Good election map:

http://www.google.com/elections/ed/fr/results?hl=fr
 
Le Pen will say both Hollande and Sarkosy are cranks and don't let them make empty promises to woo your vote. There are parallels with the FN and the BNP vote in the East End. It's just in France this is on. National scale. My main interest here is the arrogant reaction of the Germans and others. They think this is just an aberration. It isn't and the rise if the far right will continue whilst the governments endore unchecked 'open societies'.
 
Leeds Spur said:
Le Pen will say both Hollande and Sarkosy are cranks and don't let them make empty promises to woo your vote. There are parallels with the FN and the BNP vote in the East End. It's just in France this is on. National scale. My main interest here is the arrogant reaction of the Germans and others. They think this is just an aberration. It isn't and the rise if the far right will continue whilst the governments endore unchecked 'open societies'.
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The Fuhrer is telling them to abstain from the second round. Sarkozy is a grub, he is already saying that he 'understands' the supporters of the NF and is intimating that their policy demands are legitimate. The socialist Hollande has not sold his soul in this manner and has repudiated these macarons and everything they stand for.
 
Gilzeantoscore said:
The Fuhrer is telling them to abstain from the second round. Sarkozy is a grub, he is already saying that he 'understands' the supporters of the NF and is intimating that their policy demands are legitimate. The socialist Hollande has not sold his soul in this manner and has repudiated these macarons and everything they stand for.
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Because he thinks he doesn't need them at the moment.

Lets see if he's so principled if the polls get tight!! :)
 
The English are fortunate.

In the UKIP they have a genuine, non-racist, rationalist party whose most important philosophy is freedom, including the freedom to once in a while vote for a baboon - and voting him out again.

Many European countries only have a choice of FN sort of parties or the usual pink-tory vs. outright red parties.
 
Hootnow said:
Its not as simple as that, a lot of those voters are actually working class who feel disenfranchised with the current system, with Sarkozy's government. They may not necessarily actually be far right in ideology but they wanted a protest vote and Le Pen spoke their language on immigration, jobs, the EU, NATO etc. Some of these are people who would usually be voting for Hollande or Melenchon.

Le Pen has implied that she'd prefer Hollande to win so that UMP collapses and she becomes the main opposition. But I don't think they'll explicitly endorse a candidate and I don't think their supporters will vote as a block either, there are all kinds of reasons to vote for Le Pen.


This was the working class vote:

according to Ipsos: LePen 30%, Hollande 27%, Sarkozy 18%, Melenchon 12%, Bayrou 8%

Good election map:

http://www.google.com/elections/ed/fr/results?hl=fr
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Good work.

Nailed on proof, that established parties are struggling to understand let alone act upon.

The background for rule of vote seems to have been a long time forgotten.
 
DanishWhite said:
The English are fortunate.

In the UKIP they have a genuine, non-racist, rationalist party whose most important philosophy is freedom, including the freedom to once in a while vote for a baboon - and voting him out again.

Many European countries only have a choice of FN sort of parties or the usual pink-tory vs. outright red parties.
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The problem is, under FPTP, a vote for UKIP is a vote tinkled away.
 
yiddo2786 said:
The problem is, under FPTP, a vote for UKIP is a vote tinkled away.
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Unless there is enough of them votes, true.

I am fortunate to live in a simple majority parlaiment sort-of-country. 179 seats, as many potential parties get in, as long as they can get at least 3 seats. Whatever party or coalition can gather 90 mandates, gets to name the PM, who then names the ministers of the government. Case closed.

LOL. I just don't have a party to vote on.

DIP, where are thou ?
 
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Leeds Spur said:
Because he thinks he doesn't need them at the moment.

Lets see if he's so principled if the polls get tight!! :)
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Why would he alienate potential votes by making this comment, if, in your view he will later call on their support? You must be taking the tinkle!
 
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Crawley said:
fair point, but I think you are going to see a big UKIP vote next week in the locals. Possibly higher than the Lib-Dem vote.
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Hell of a lot of tories have UKIP leanings and i think a lot will switch their vote that way, add to that, that governments never do to well at local elections it will be a bad night for cameron. Myself im a UKIP voter but i actually know quite well one of the local independent down here so i might go with them as they actually care about local issues.

Can not wait for the next european elections because i think UKIP will actually finish above the tories on that one, maybe then we will get some proper tories back at the top of the party and i can think about voting for them again, someone like david davies or Hauge would be fine by me. Know so many tories who are tinkled off with osborne giving even more money to the IMF which is just going to prop up that basket case that is the EU.
 
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