Mrs Vert
Chris Armstrong
Probably wait til Dec.....
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Roberto De Zerbi *OFFICIAL*
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It's not the mentality. The game has changed (and this was always the risk when we went for RDZ), current meta in PL is simple football, more direct, more upscale Pulis ball. Everyone plays with energy, everyone is willing to sit in mid/low blocks (won't take the press bait).
Ange/Frank/RDZ although vastly different managers require too many things to work for it to be successful, one player out of position or not reading, one player injured and replacement doesn't have the exact skillset, margins that mean if the opposition gets one go in off their ass and you miss a sitter, game over ..
He's in trouble, maybe he can turn it around but it's starting to look a lot like Frank in that ceiling isn't high enough (we don't seem to be able to blow away anyone), and the floor is the championship
Chrissivad
Pedro Mendes
I don't think it's looking like Frank. Under him we sat back and never looked to try and win.
We have seen we can attack, just not score.
More like Poch when fans wanted Kane to play, fans now just want players in their correct positions
We have seen we can attack, just not score.
More like Poch when fans wanted Kane to play, fans now just want players in their correct positions
Mrs Vert
Chris Armstrong
Agree. But under them all when we go down. Head goes. That's mental
Nobody in that squad rallies everyone and tells them to get up and go again. Get angry. We just retreat or make an effort in last 5min as nothing to lose.
And Robert choices are baffling at times
Mrs Vert
Chris Armstrong
I think they mean It looks like it's going down hill and Pete Tong with regards to getting sacked like Frank. I dunno could be wrong. But either way we are still not winning games and it's been 2yrs of it
ShipOfTheseus
Jonathan Woodgate
I wonder if RDZ will flounce before he’s pushed. It wouldn’t be out of character.
SissokoWasGood (BoL)
Nick Barmby
I honestly don’t think he’s in trouble and if he is then it would be the craziest and most short sighted move I can remember.
I simply think we need to score when we’re on top. Because for the first 20-25 minutes of games we look like a class above. Clearly that is by design, and clearly it is unsustainable to play like that for the entire game. So we need to take our chances in those moments and get in front. And once we do, I think we’ll cut teams apart on the counter.
What can’t happen is that we fail to score, and then go behind, and then teams just sit in against us which makes it hard and would be hard for any team. Especially when we’ve spent so much energy in the early part of the game.
I don’t think there’s a massive issue with the tactics or the system or even really the players right now. I think we aren’t scoring in the moments we absolutely have to, and we are conceding in moments where we absolutely can’t. The game is swinging on the goals in the wrong way.
How long do you wait? we have United and Chelsea away in our next 3 games. 7 games without a win, 10, where is the line? This is the same strategy as Frank? we "hope" it will turn around.
I'm not advocating we fire the guy, I am saying it's looking very fragile at the moment, and the club better have a fudging plan B come November if we haven't turned it around.
And to be clear, the issue isn't only RDZ's term, it's the club has spent 3 years in a spiral, something has to be done to turn it around.
MartyFunkhouser
Teddy Sheringham
I don't want the bloke gone and I think we need to stick with him
But he is clearly in a crisis here regardless of what hope and belief people have on a brighter future. Having this start and points return so far isn't good enough, he needs to turn it around. That just can't be ignored
SissokoWasGood (BoL)
Nick Barmby
Given Iraola took 10 games at Bournemouth, I’m ok waiting about the same amount before I’m really concerned.
And the difference with Frank is that I think we’re showing more signs of picking this up sooner. Other than the City away game I don’t think the players ever ‘got’ what Frank even wanted. Or really bought in. And it was pretty clear that when results turned they had no belief in what they were being asked. I may be wrong, but I think the players have belief in this way and are bought in.
parj
Ben Thatcher
The problem we have is all these fcuking managers want to buy players right away for today. We lost sight of building something. Our squad will not settle until we adopt a Poch era mentality again. Buy young players that look the part. The other clubs are doing it. We are so desperate to catch up that we started buying now players with a limited CV cos they were PL players.
Need a huge reset in squad management
Need a huge reset in squad management
Bedfordspurs
Bert Smith
We need a plan for who we are meant to be first and foremost
I can’t help think he is going to start p!ssing off players soon with his comments.
Bedfordspurs
Bert Smith
I think he does that all the time
But I also think players are kind of used to that too
MartyFunkhouser
Teddy Sheringham
Some of it seems pre determined to do that OR its a real test on if they look up to him as the one and only man, the problem is this isn't the 80s and players don't respond to it like they did.
His comment on "I didn't even speak to the players after the game" or whatever I saw, thats just strange
It feels more Conte end days than the honeymoon period of something new and exciting
Chrissivad
Pedro Mendes
He now has 3 week until the next game.
Not sure how many players will be off, but he has 3 weeks to get these players.... That he is coaching.... to a level of fitness he is happy with.
I don't want to see this excuse again.
Not sure how many players will be off, but he has 3 weeks to get these players.... That he is coaching.... to a level of fitness he is happy with.
I don't want to see this excuse again.
Mikey10
Ian Walker
Well, in the words of Bon Jovi, we’re halfway there.
The half-arsed approach from our lot for much of today’s game suggests to me he’s already done it.
Sandman
Justin Edinburgh
you can see how that game played out. They came out a went for it from the first minute, we was dominating possession, having chances and just not taking them. Then we get hit with a sucker punch. Its just like last season. We push for an equalizer, again we are mostly on top. Then Smash and some lazy defending and its 0-2. Mentality is a thing, if we think nothing is going right look how they must feel.
Then RDZ comes out and says they need to fight. I tell you what mate. Lets sit back for one game and grind out a win somehow. Then push on. They are all like scared rabbits in front of goal.
Then RDZ comes out and says they need to fight. I tell you what mate. Lets sit back for one game and grind out a win somehow. Then push on. They are all like scared rabbits in front of goal.
Yeah maybe. And what he says to them behind the scenes, and how he says it, is far more important of course.
But when every game he is calling out someone’s fitness (which imo is in some part calling out their attitude) then at some point that has to rest with the coaching staff as well, doesn’t it?
Mikey10
Ian Walker
The fitness thing is such a stupid attempt at an excuse. That is literally his - and his fitness team’s - main job, so he is essentially saying that they have failed in achieving their major priority. It’s bizarre.
I’m sorry to say that he’s starting to p iss me off in press conferences.