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Richarlison

thfcsteff said:
What are you missing here mate?

The only thing I can see you're missing is that we disagree with each other as to who we each feel is mostly accountable in our provided scenarios. No amount of further exchanges will apparently change that.

It takes two to tango, but I remain firmly of the view that we should never have taken this belle to the ball in the first place if we knew we'd look for a better dancer, or if said-dancer didn't show themselves as reliable to our satisfaction.
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I’m genuinely trying to understand further, as I feel like the fact that he kept supposedly changing his mind is being under weighted here. How can the club account for that? There would have been a level of trust and good faith that was shattered when he said he wanted to move again, and then took to social media to explain how that Everton move wasn’t good enough because it was to benefit others (surely the club come into that) and not him.

I feel like you’re saying that the club should have anticipated that Richy was going to act this way. When I’m assuming they started from a position of good faith. Happy to keep him, and then happy to find a move when he said he wanted to go. If I’m incorrect on any of that because I don’t know something, I’ll hold my hands up. It seems like you are saying that we always had in mind we would sell him. But does that not cut against the idea that we offered him a new contract and asked for his commitment at some point in the summer?

Ultimately, deciding not to register a valued asset is a very deliberate, rational act. It’s a big business and sporting decision. Taking to social media is not a rational act, unless your aim is to draw sympathy away from the club and on to your own cause. But there is one side of this acting emotionally and irrationally, and I just don’t see how the club were supposed to do anything differently, if they had approached the conversation in good faith that they wanted to keep him at the beginning of the summer. Let’s say they did agree to sell him prior to the Australia tour - who’s to say Richy would have even accepted that move?

Am I understanding right that you are saying that because he came on the tour, he thought he was part of the crew and had a solid position at the club? And therefore the news of us wanting to sell him would have justified his actions? All fine but it seems like it doesn’t take into account the idea that he supposedly kept changing his mind as to whether he actually wanted to stay or not.
 
SissokoWasGood (BoL) said:
I’m genuinely trying to understand further, as I feel like the fact that he kept supposedly changing his mind is being under weighted here. How can the club account for that? There would have been a level of trust and good faith that was shattered when he said he wanted to move again, and then took to social media to explain how that Everton move wasn’t good enough because it was to benefit others (surely the club come into that) and not him.

I feel like you’re saying that the club should have anticipated that Richy was going to act this way. When I’m assuming they started from a position of good faith. Happy to keep him, and then happy to find a move when he said he wanted to go. If I’m incorrect on any of that because I don’t know something, I’ll hold my hands up. It seems like you are saying that we always had in mind we would sell him. But does that not cut against the idea that we offered him a new contract and asked for his commitment at some point in the summer?

Ultimately, deciding not to register a valued asset is a very deliberate, rational act. It’s a big business and sporting decision. Taking to social media is not a rational act, unless your aim is to draw sympathy away from the club and on to your own cause. But there is one side of this acting emotionally and irrationally, and I just don’t see how the club were supposed to do anything differently, if they had approached the conversation in good faith that they wanted to keep him at the beginning of the summer. Let’s say they did agree to sell him prior to the Australia tour - who’s to say Richy would have even accepted that move?

Am I understanding right that you are saying that because he came on the tour, he thought he was part of the crew and had a solid position at the club? And therefore the news of us wanting to sell him would have justified his actions? All fine but it seems like it doesn’t take into account the idea that he supposedly kept changing his mind as to whether he actually wanted to stay or not.
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Mate...my position is very simple. And I will PM you as this is dragging out...
 
MartyFunkhouser said:
Late in the window. And with one club, its not even known if we accepted the other two deals

Surely this club knew Richy wasnt the one long term......oh no, actually we took him.on tour
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We know the concrete moves materialised late in the window, what we don't know is how long those conversations had been going on for.
 
What’s the issue with having him in the last year of his contract. We know he’ll always put a shift in.

I think with some (most) players that is more likely to increase motivation rather than the opposite.
 
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