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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

MartyFunkhouser said:
Rumours of Starmer just quitting are gathering pace
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Well Trump has just announced that Starmer is resigning....

There was no way he could go through with standing in a leadership election, it would just be humiliating for him.
And he seems to be extremely disliked from what Labour MPs say they hear locally, which makes it more difficult for him to remain and for Labour MPs to support him. I really don't know why he is disliked so much, he seems a decent enough person (aside from football allegiance choice) but he doesn't seem to have the communication skills to sell what Labour is doing.
My guess is he will set out a fairly short transition period, rather than have the process drag out all summer.
 
Diamond Lights said:
but we all know what will happen if Burnham comes in. Will clobber those in the middle and leave the super rich untouched.

I wanted Labour in, and they actually have not done a terrible job but lurching further to the Left is a terrible idea
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Who are the middle? The teachers currently sleeping in their cars? The universities with foodbanks for their lecturers?

Labour haven't been left since Kinnock. It will be novel to see what it looks like. Move towards more of a European model of tax and services
 
Gutter Boy said:
Who are the middle? The teachers currently sleeping in their cars? The universities with foodbanks for their lecturers?

Labour haven't been left since Kinnock. It will be novel to see what it looks like. Move towards more of a European model of tax and services
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The middle classes for fudged hardest by the Tories. The idea that further left has to impact them isn't true. Further left means go for the really rich tax dodgers who have more money than they can spare. I don't knke if Burnham is gonna do that. But going further left is exactly what's needed to help the middle classes. And drag so many out of poverty.
 
LutonSpurs said:
The middle classes for fudged hardest by the Tories. The idea that further left has to impact them isn't true. Further left means go for the really rich tax dodgers who have more money than they can spare. I don't knke if Burnham is gonna do that. But going further left is exactly what's needed to help the middle classes. And drag so many out of poverty.
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Prepare to be disappointed by Burnham. He will struggle as PM, I reckon.

Being a better communicator than Starmer isn’t going to solve the country’s unsolvable problems. And being a mayor is a very very different thing to running a political party, never mind a country.

Added to that, he will face calls for a GE from day one as he will have zero mandate - and those calls will dog him day in and day out.
 
Gutter Boy said:
Only by people who don't understand the concept of parliamentary democracy. And I'm not being partisan - i always said the same about May, Johnson, Truss and Sunak. We don't have a presidential system
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Constitutionally it may be a parliamentary democracy, but the de facto situation in this country is that the vast majority of the population vote for a party in a GE based on who they’d like to see as PM.

The media will hammer Burnham on ‘his coronation’ as PM (as they are already terming it today) in a way that the procession of Conservative PM’s didn’t experience; that will have a big bearing on what the public think about him being in office.
 
Mikey10 said:
Constitutionally it may be a parliamentary democracy, but the de facto situation in this country is that the vast majority of the population vote for a party in a GE based on who they’d like to see as PM.

The media will hammer Burnham on ‘his coronation’ as PM (as they are already terming it today) in a way that the procession of Conservative PM’s didn’t experience; that will have a big bearing on what the public think about him being in office.
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I"ve said it before, the electorate in this country is a big problem, they are not prepared to put the work in to even understand how the system works and what their responsibilities are in it.
 
les paul said:
a 2% tax on assets over £10mn is workable if it's done the right way and aimed at reducing wealth inequality. studies show the damage done to economies and societies by wealth inequality are an issue that need to be addressed.
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So if I own a business do I sell 2% of it per year? What if it's worth 15m so I accrue a tax liability but the govt lets me defer it until it's sold but it loses value and gets sold for 9m then what happens? Who values said company? Who values other assets like rare art, jewellery, watches, cars etc? It's totally unworkable in our economy.
 
Gutter Boy said:
By introducing fairness to taxation, we'd be fixing the inequality for generations to come, not making a quick cash grab
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What is fairness though? Someone on £110K for example would say why don't they get a tax free allowance and the full childcare hours. Then that same person would either work less hours or salary sacrifice their pension to get below the £100K limit and the treasury is actually worse off. Our whole tax system has loads of these silly cliff edges.
 
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