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They think it. But the data doesn't suggest it. Your politics do Mr Farage
 
robp135 said:
It’s been represented as comments about immigration by Farage which is not. It’s being presented as a defense of the police by the Father, which it’s not.
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So what IS Farage saying then?
I have not seen the fathers comments as a defense of anything. It is quite clear that he simply wants people to not use his son's death as a political weapon...we're back to Nigel again!
 
I don’t believe that young white males DO believe that the police are prejudiced against them. Aside from the fact the police just quite clearly aren’t, I don’t think there’s a single group of young White men who believed it until they were told they think it just yesterday.

Sums up current society for me.
 
Rafa87 said:
I don’t believe that young white males DO believe that the police are prejudiced against them. Aside from the fact the police just quite clearly aren’t, I don’t think there’s a single group of young White men who believed it until they were told they think it just yesterday.

Sums up current society for me.
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There is also a very easy way to not have the issue and thats to not be a cnut in society and put it to the test.........

I mean people are being goaded into this by a grifter in NF and a career criminal in TR, which is ironic.

I don't think people are thick, I think people now pick campaigns which allows them to be bigoted under a veil in which they think its protected or hidden. The blokes that went to Southport and attacked the shopkeeper who locked himself in through fear, they did so because it was like an away day for cnuts and a throwback, not because they cared about Southport. Its all an excuse to act up, same as it was bricking the Mosques, same as it was setting fire to hotels and so on
 
thfcsteff said:
So what IS Farage saying then?
I have not seen the fathers comments as a defense of anything. It is quite clear that he simply wants people to not use his son's death as a political weapon...we're back to Nigel again!
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I clarified in an earlier post that I did not see the part of the speech where he brought up immigration. The clip I saw was a good 2-3 minutes long so made out it was the entire thing and wasn’t on a pro Farage platform so had no reason to think it wouldn’t have been the full thing and the most damaging part would be left out.
 
monkeybarry said:
It's irrelevant in this context - you are applying logic and nuance as first line arguments against propaganda; that doesn't work, because it's talking at, rather than to, the other parties.

Reform have already done the anti Romanian, Hungarian, Albanian, European division. They've won those battles, emotionally, whilst the other side argued about details they secured votes with emotions.
Now they are down to an even more basic level - skin colour; and an even more abstract demon - people hardly anyone actually sees, experiences, or is affected by.
That last bit isn't reductionist - it's the opposite; the scared/angry/aggrieved person (which is most people in the country, because most of our living standards are declining in the past 15 years) will fill in the gaps to create whichever demon fits to satisfy their own needs.

Which is exactly the same thing I've been trying to make @LutonSpurs aware of.

I'd highly recommend reading;
Carl Jung on loneliness
Pomerantsev on Censorship through noise
Hoffer on the hatted other
And
Satre on self invention.

Then combine all those principles, apply them to the life of a Reform voter, and then apply your own arguments and positions against that position - see what result you get.
I'd be fascinated to see what the outcome is.
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No, I'm not trying to argue the case or say this is the way to tackle it but I was just wanting to clarify whether and what examples of racism there were against whites. You said that it did happen ("It is an overblown claim - the basis of the claim is that white people experience racism; this is true"). I just wanted examples of where it does happen to show where it is true, even if overblown.

Personally don't think the police in the Newark murder were being racist. They arrived with preconceived ideas that they had been told it was the result of a racist attack and went from there. Should have arrived with a clean slate and worked the situation, that was their failing rather than an overdose of anti-racist training or any other EDF talking point.
 
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