Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

[Gutter Boy]

You have to be sure there's a backfill for all those jobs that they'll be departing from though?

Most of them were done by students before the neo-liberalism of higher education in the early 00s. Reversing that could replenish the low paid economy and unsully HE

 

[Grays_1890]

its harder to track the points being made in the football section due to the volume of posts so i tend to just post my views of a player or a match regardless then deal with the replies. I don't read much of the posts in there as i don't have time.

Cool

 

[LutonSpurs]

It's quite simple on this board, if you're not a Liberal or Left-leaning you are a right wing EDL racist

Not really. Try not to consistently peddle racist lies and then disappear when challenged you might not get made to look so silly all the time

 

[Grays_1890]

Not really. Try not to consistently peddle racist lies and then disappear when challenged you might not get made to look so silly all the time

What ever happened to the truth seekers whatsapp group, or whatever embarrassment that was

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

I think it's accurate to say there are 3 reasons for flying the flag, when you're representing, when you've achieved something, when you're marking your territory.

The last one is exactly what was happening.

you think that's the 3 reasons to fly a flag in your head. I don't personally fly a flag at any time. I haven't even ever bought or worn an England football shirt. But you are projecting your own thought processes into a judgement on other people.

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

So much time/effort/focus being spent on a very small part of a bigger issue.
Driven by media and optics.

Has there been much talk of other solutions, not just channel crossers, but overall net immigration?

A very good point and a bit of a political trap that the last tory government AND this current government have fallen into.

If you follow Farage most of his stuff put out to his base and wider on social media isn't about the boats. It is about legal migration. In his words, the numbers are unprecedented and unimaginable and you wonder why you can't get a house, why you can't get a doctor's or a dentist appointment. You wonder why all the local schools are oversubscribed. He speaks really articulately, very powerfully about this topic and it really resonates.

Yet in Parliament and with the mainstream media, most of what he talks about is the boats. And as such, as that is what makes headlines, it is what has driven tory and labour policy over the last few years.

But ultimately its a successful distraction as neither tory nor labour have even attempted to come up with a plan to tackle the real problem. Partly that is because of course there are still those in both parties that feel uncomfortable in going hard on the issue and some like with the new Green leader that think we should focus on talking about the benefits of immigration.

What these people don't seem to realise is that argument was utterly lost years ago. A significant majority of people now feel like there is zero benefit in current immigration numbers. AND it IS a numbers game - if the bath is overflowing and you think the answer to the problem is to stand there and talk about the health benefits of water and bathing rather than turning the tap off and taking the plug out then you're a f*cking macaron and the majority of people will see you as exactly that.