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Silly McSilly Face said:
I don't see it. "Do it if I care" is not incitement in my book. Where's the racial hatred angle also. No race mentioned anywhere. She shouldn't have pled guilty in my view. Probably duff legal advice.
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We know you don't see it. But almost every legal expert around does.

Silly McSilly Face said:
I didn't say she was charged with inciting violence. Where's the race angle in the tweet? Are illegal immigrants a race?
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She says if thst makes me racist so be it at the end of the effin tweet you absolute irrational pedamt.
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
I didn't say she was charged with inciting violence. Where's the race angle in the tweet?
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No, other posters were mentioning inciting violence so I was just clarifying what the actual charge was.
As for the race angle a) the context is asylum seekers the majority of whom are not of an anglo-saxon (white) race and b) she literally acknowledged herself in the tweet that if what she said was racist, so be it. She knew full well there was a race angle to what she was tweeting.
She tweeted something dangerous and abhorrent. She had a not insignificant number of followers. Her tweet was re-tweeted thousands of times. It took her three hours to delete it.
Honestly is this the hill you want to die on?
 
LutonSpurs said:
We know you don't see it. But almost every legal expert around does.



She says if thst makes me racist so be it at the end of the effin tweet you absolute irrational pedamt.
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That doesn't mean she was racist in the rest of the tweet does it? More and more people are saying "if that makes me racist so be it" because the bar many set for accusing people of "racism" or being a "nazi" is so ridiculous now people are literally laughing at it. But they're also fed up of it. They're fed up with the woke nonsense. 12 year old girl got marched to the head masters office for wearing a union jack dress and with a prepared talk on British culture as it was deemed racist.

The word racist or racism or nazi is so commonly attached to people for the most mundane of things it has lost its impact. You lot have accused me of being a racist on here multiple times. I literally couldn't give a f*ck.
 
Glenda's Legs said:
No, other posters were mentioning inciting violence so I was just clarifying what the actual charge was.
As for the race angle a) the context is asylum seekers the majority of whom are not of an anglo-saxon (white) race and b) she literally acknowledged herself in the tweet that if what she said was racist, so be it. She knew full well there was a race angle to what she was tweeting.
She tweeted something dangerous and abhorrent. She had a not insignificant number of followers. Her tweet was re-tweeted thousands of times. It took her three hours to delete it.
Honestly is this the hill you want to die on?
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Yes I do. Because I think if you can end up in prison for that and you've got people on here saying she shouldn't have been relessed early and all that when trading material made from filing children being raped for sexual gratification doesn't get you prison time - we have collectively lost the f*cking plot.

You are inferring racism via assumptions of her thought process. Asylum seekers are not a race. There is absolutely zero evidence in that tweet of incitement to racial hatred. Literally zero. The words she used are in black and white.
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
That doesn't mean she was racist in the rest of the tweet does it? More and more people are saying "if that makes me racist so be it" because the bar many set for accusing people of "racism" or being a "nazi" is so ridiculous now people are literally laughing at it. But they're also fed up of it. They're fed up with the woke nonsense. 12 year old girl got marched to the head masters office for wearing a union jack dress and with a prepared talk on British culture as it was deemed racist.

The word racist or racism or nazi is so commonly attached to people for the most mundane of things it has lost its impact. You lot have accused me of being a racist on here multiple times. I literally couldn't give a f*ck.
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No, it wasn't deemed racist. It was deemed to be contrary to the (somewhat contradictory) guidance given to pupils for that particular event. I think the school got it very wrong, although allegedly the speech she was going to read out was about how British culture is being oppressed (anectodal as I don't know what was in her prepared speech). The fact that her dad then announced she would be featuring at a Tommy Robinson event makes me just a tad suspicious as to his motives and his influence on his daughter.
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
Yes I do. Because I think if you can end up in prison for that and you've got people on here saying she shouldn't have been relessed early and all that when trading material made from filing children being raped for sexual gratification doesn't get you prison time - we have collectively lost the f*cking plot.

You are inferring racism via assumptions of her thought process. Asylum seekers are not a race. There is absolutely zero evidence in that tweet of incitement to racial hatred. Literally zero. The words she used are in black and white.
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She pleaded guilty. She was sentenced accordingly. End of.

And just because there might be horrendous examples of other offences that should deserve custodial sentences but don't get them, does not mean her sentence was wrong. It means there is work to be done to ensure the right sentencing is applied in those other cases.
 
Glenda's Legs said:
She pleaded guilty. She was sentenced accordingly. End of.

And just because there might be horrendous examples of other offences that should deserve custodial sentences but don't get them, does not mean her sentence was wrong. It means there is work to be done to ensure the right sentencing is applied in those other cases.
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She pleaded guilty, tried to hold her hands up to doing something stupid in the heat of the moment. She was likely under advice that she would be very unlikely to receive a custodial sentence. Her main beef is the custodial sentence although IMO she'd have had a good chance of walking free had she pled not guilty and in hindsight very little to lose in entering a not guilty plea as she received pretty much half of the maximum punishment that is on the table for that offence. She posted it in the aftermath of the Southport attack when emotions were running high and as per Keni Badenoch's support for her in Parliament, she received a longer sentence than those that actually rioted in the wake of the Southport attack, throwing bricks at police and police cars. I've looked through the press coverage and the Sky News article of her sentence stares that she called on her followers to set fire to hotels. That's what I thought she'd done. Having been shown the actual tweet by Luton I am gob smacked. Absolutely no way should someone serve time for that. If she had been found guilty small fine and community service say helping out at the hotels would have been far more appropriate. Absolutely agree with those that are saying she was spacegoated.
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
She pleaded guilty, tried to hold her hands up to doing something stupid in the heat of the moment. She was likely under advice that she would be very unlikely to receive a custodial sentence. Her main beef is the custodial sentence although IMO she'd have had a good chance of walking free had she pled not guilty and in hindsight very little to lose in entering a not guilty plea as she received pretty much half of the maximum punishment that is on the table for that offence. She posted it in the aftermath of the Southport attack when emotions were running high and as per Keni Badenoch's support for her in Parliament, she received a longer sentence than those that actually rioted in the wake of the Southport attack, throwing bricks at police and police cars. I've looked through the press coverage and the Sky News article of her sentence stares that she called on her followers to set fire to hotels. That's what I thought she'd done. Having been shown the actual tweet by Luton I am gob smacked. Absolutely no way should someone serve time for that. If she had been found guilty small fine and community service say helping out at the hotels would have been far more appropriate. Absolutely agree with those that are saying she was spacegoated.
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Seriously, it took me 2 minutes max to google the offence she was charged with and to see what the sentencing provisons are. I am sure she would have done the same. I doubt any lawyer could have advised her otherwise. Maybe they thought she might get a suspended sentence. But given the climate at the time, that would have been highly unlikely.
She knew exactly what she was doing, and had previous history of, let us say, unsavoury tweets.
She deserved what she got.
 
Glenda's Legs said:
Seriously, it took me 2 minutes max to google the offence she was charged with and to see what the sentencing provisons are. I am sure she would have done the same. I doubt any lawyer could have advised her otherwise. Maybe they thought she might get a suspended sentence. But given the climate at the time, that would have been highly unlikely.
She knew exactly what she was doing, and had previous history of, let us say, unsavoury tweets.
She deserved what she got.
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I don't think she did at all. The sentencing provisions are pages long for those offences. And highly complex. At a basic level they range from menial discharges of small fine and community order up to a maximum 7 years. She was sentenced to almost 3 years in prison which puts her in the category of far right terrorist groups distributing material calling for systematic and planned violence against e.g. mosques etc

Street drug dealers get less.

If you think that tweet deserved that punishment, I think you've lost the plot. And many many people agree, hence why she is being held up as some kind of martyr.
 
Glenda's Legs said:
Me too.
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And she isn't being held up as a martyr because of the sentencing, its because, as those who actually went to many hotels to attack and in some cases burn them down, this country is unfortunately full with as many racist cnuts as she clearly is, which she admitted to being

If people want to stand shoulder to shoulder with someone who admits to being racist, GHod help them

It also doesn't help when peoples political heroes spout nonsense and keep putting out falsehoods

https://twitter.com/x/status/1964585329916325910
 
kb 1984 said:
That's pretty scary he has basically been brainwashed at 12 won't be long before he is full on racist if he isn't already
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The plus point though, he will be able to work out the fluctuations in cost in Spoons by lining up his change on the table to work out how many drinks he will have left
 
johnola said:
At what age would you recommend brainwashing?
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Well my lad had a lazy eye (where the brain basically only uses one eye) which was diagnosed at age 3 and corrected by the hospital via wearing an eye patch over the good eye. This caused the brain to actually grow neurons and nerves to the bad eye to the point where it was normal. Apparently the cut-off for the ability to correct the issue in this manner is around 8 years old for maximum effectiveness or 10 in absolute terms. Past 10 the brain isn't so elastic and less able to be influenced by external factors. So I think that probably works in terms of the optimal age for brain washing.....
 
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