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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

Glenda's Legs said:
There’s a huge difference between making their own way to Epping and then the police escorting them to an area where they are not mixing with the hotel protesters compared to saying they were “bussed in” which implies the police were complicit in organising for them to be there.
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Got them out to disperse the crowd and save trouble.........as they should
 
Daisuk said:
So Thailand are essentially killing their neighbors for the right to a couple of temples and a few areas of strategic importance, mainly to divert attention from problems at home. Politics, eh? Like a fucnkng kindergarden. We're a dumbass species.
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Worlds going to hell in a handbasket at the moment. In a world that calls for cool heads, there seems to be none
 
Grays_1890 said:
People living on that street won't corroborate her story, the police haven't had the reports on crime she is describing on that street, even when canvassing door to door so yeh I suspect she is lying about this specific issue
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They have had a lot of reports of sexual offences and violence in the neighbourhood policing area that covers that street - this from Police.uk (May 2025)1000015211.jpg
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
They have had a lot of reports of sexual offences and violence in the neighbourhood policing area that covers that street - this from Police.uk (May 2025)View attachment 20107
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How does that compare to the same area over previous months/point in time?
It's useless data in isolation.

Edit - I thought I'd look myself, save you the trouble of weaseling your way out of an uncomfortable narrative.
May 2025 is the lowest crime nos level in the past 12 months.
Assuming June figures are in the normal range, Q2 will be the lowest crime by volume in that area for three years.

Now THAT'S meaningful data.

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Greenway Road isn't in Halton Lea!
You really are a class bell end.
 
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monkeybarry said:
How does that compare to the same area over previous months/point in time?
It's useless data in isolation.

Edit - I thought I'd look myself, save you the trouble of weaseling your way out of an uncomfortable narrative.
May 2025 is the lowest crime nos level in the past 12 months.
Assuming June figures are in the normal range, Q2 will be the lowest crime by volume in that area for three years.

Now THAT'S meaningful data.

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Greenway Road isn't in Halton Lea!
You really are a class bell end.
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You're right, I only put in part of the postcode (WA7). Here's the data for the actual neighbourhood policing area:1000015218.jpg1000015220.jpg
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
They have had a lot of reports of sexual offences and violence in the neighbourhood policing area that covers that street - this from Police.uk (May 2025)View attachment 20107
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Of course and there is crime everywhere (not condoning it)

But the point is (made by the news article not me) is that the locals on the road that she has specifically quoted are not corroborating her story for whatever reason. There is crime where I live, but none on my street that I know of and I have a massively peaceful life, so I suppose I would feel slightly weaponised if someone said where I live is a sh1thole when its not.

Anyway, lets see if she sues her constituents or whoever it is she is going to sue
 
Grays_1890 said:
Of course and there is crime everywhere (not condoning it)

But the point is (made by the news article not me) is that the locals on the road that she has specifically quoted are not corroborating her story for whatever reason. There is crime where I live, but none on my street that I know of and I have a massively peaceful life, so I suppose I would feel slightly weaponised if someone said where I live is a sh1thole when its not.

Anyway, lets see if she sues her constituents or whoever it is she is going to sue
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I see this as a wider problem and in particular one of impartiality of organisations like the BBC who have run this story.

She is a local MP, not a senior politician. Lots of MPs do exactly what she did, make a social media post relating to local crime concerns raised by constituents. Its extremely common for constituents to raise these sort of issues with their local MP. The fact that this has been jumped on by the likes of the BBC and theyve gone to the lengths of finding people to undermine her content and then contact the police for a statement is singling her out, basically because she is Reform and these people have a bee in their bonet about her becoming an MP.

She referred to complaints being made to her by local businesses but the BBC seem to have gone and interviewed local residents.

As you say crime happens anywhere. The statement provided to the BBC by Cheshire Police that they have not received any reports of the nature the MP articulated in that area (she said "violence, anti social behaviour, rubbish strewn across the streets and potential domestic violence") is manifestly false.

As per the previous poster, she got elected based on these concerns raised by local residents so I think the investigation of this story and reporting of it has been highly selective and influenced by bias.

In terms of residents being oblivious to serious crime happening on their doorstep this isn't surprising to me. I've dealt with a case where I had to do d2d following a murder that involved a man being shot at point blank range on his doorstep then attempting to run before being shot again in the back before crawling out his back door shouting for help before being shot agsin.

Other than immediate neighbours that called it in, nothing seen or heard on the rest of the street.
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
I see this as a wider problem and in particular one of impartiality of organisations like the BBC who have run this story.

She is a local MP, not a senior politician. Lots of MPs do exactly what she did, make a social media post relating to local crime concerns raised by constituents. Its extremely common for constituents to raise these sort of issues with their local MP. The fact that this has been jumped on by the likes of the BBC and theyve gone to the lengths of finding people to undermine her content and then contact the police for a statement is singling her out, basically because she is Reform and these people have a bee in their bonet about her becoming an MP.

She referred to complaints being made to her by local businesses but the BBC seem to have gone and interviewed local residents.

As you say crime happens anywhere. The statement provided to the BBC by Cheshire Police that they have not received any reports of the nature the MP articulated in that area (she said "violence, anti social behaviour, rubbish strewn across the streets and potential domestic violence") is manifestly false.

As per the previous poster, she got elected based on these concerns raised by local residents so I think the investigation of this story and reporting of it has been highly selective and influenced by bias.

In terms of residents being oblivious to serious crime happening on their doorstep this isn't surprising to me. I've dealt with a case where I had to do d2d following a murder that involved a man being shot at point blank range on his doorstep then attempting to run before being shot again in the back before crawling out his back door shouting for help before being shot agsin.

Other than immediate neighbours that called it in, nothing seen or heard on the rest of the street.
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But also words matter, she has made a specific claim about that street and local residence have said her comments don't square, I think they have a right to say that if their reality is different as we all do.

The police saying they went door to door and had no complaints so while she might be right on the wider issues in the larger community, she might just have to suck up the fact that she was wrong at trying to attribute crimes to a street where it wasn't happening.

Its not the end of the world stuff but the fact she is now claiming to take legal action makes it even more laughable than the original story itself. She could have been more eloquent, said she was wrong about the specifics but right about the larger scale whilst using your stats, thats would have been better.............but no..............straight to legal action, pass go and do not collection £200
 
Grays_1890 said:
But also words matter, she has made a specific claim about that street and local residence have said her comments don't square, I think they have a right to say that if their reality is different as we all do.

The police saying they went door to door and had no complaints so while she might be right on the wider issues in the larger community, she might just have to suck up the fact that she was wrong at trying to attribute crimes to a street where it wasn't happening.

Its not the end of the world stuff but the fact she is now claiming to take legal action makes it even more laughable than the original story itself. She could have been more eloquent, said she was wrong about the specifics but right about the larger scale whilst using your stats, thats would have been better.............but no..............straight to legal action, pass go and do not collection £200
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If she's had specific complaints brought to her by residents on that street then she isn't wrong is she? And i agree it looks like a pile on to misrepresent her and single her out when she is doing her job as an MP and doing exactly what other MPs do - which is raise to prominence the issues raised by local constituents. In that context I myself would be looking as to what recourse I could take.

Words do matter but her words are not unreasonable and she is claiming they reflect complaints brought to her by constituents.

The police did not state they had been door to door, they've got some analyst to have a quick butchers at the logs. The spokesman said:

"A Cheshire Police spokesman said issues highlighted in the video did not match any incidents reported to the force, or to residents' concerns.

He added that Chief Constable Mark Roberts had contacted Pochin several times since she was elected and said they would meet on 4 August."

I hope the BBC dig out every local MP raising local crime concerns on behalf of their constituents and do this kind of hatchet job over their social media posts - highly doubt it. Its contemptible in my book and as with the brexit referendum this kind of bull crap will just harden people's resolve to vote reform at the next election and fight against this agenda. I know it has mine.
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
If she's had specific complaints brought to her by residents on that street then she isn't wrong is she? And i agree it looks like a pile on to misrepresent her and single her out when she is doing her job as an MP and doing exactly what other MPs do - which is raise to prominence the issues raised by local constituents. In that context I myself would be looking as to what recourse I could take.

Words do matter but her words are not unreasonable and she is claiming they reflect complaints brought to her by constituents.

The police did not state they had been door to door, they've got some analyst to have a quick butchers at the logs. The spokesman said:

"A Cheshire Police spokesman said issues highlighted in the video did not match any incidents reported to the force, or to residents' concerns.

He added that Chief Constable Mark Roberts had contacted Pochin several times since she was elected and said they would meet on 4 August."

I hope the BBC dig out every local MP raising local crime concerns on behalf of their constituents and do this kind of hatchet job over their social media posts - highly doubt it. Its contemptible in my book and as with the brexit referendum this kind of bull crap will just harden people's resolve to vote reform at the next election and fight against this agenda. I know it has mine.
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In the video they claim the police said they visited the homes on the road following the MPs claims and the locals could not confirm the same.

Locals also have the right to fight back if they don't think the comments are reflective, I mean they live there, same as Epping ey, people can say what they see.

Anyway I need to fight my way into dystopian London for meetings and then dinner at Gymkhana..........

PEACE
 
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Has anyone actually looked at Greenway Road?
It's big.
It's residential and includes the slip roads off of a major and a railway bridge.
The policing area also includes the railway station and cemetery.
Silly McSilly Face said:
You're right, I only put in part of the postcode (WA7). Here's the data for the actual neighbourhood policing area:View attachment 20108View attachment 20109
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So no significant change in pattern.....
..... almost like you're talking bollox

Has anyone actually looked at Greenway Road?
It's big.

It's part residential and includes the slip roads off of a major A road and a railway bridge.

The policing area (which is huge) also includes the railway station, port and cemetery. All of which are high crime areas anywhere.
 
monkeybarry said:
Has anyone actually looked at Greenway Road?
It's big.
It's residential and includes the slip roads off of a major and a railway bridge.
The policing area also includes the railway station and cemetery.

So no significant change in pattern.....
..... almost like you're talking bollox

Has anyone actually looked at Greenway Road?
It's big.

It's part residential and includes the slip roads off of a major A road and a railway bridge.

The policing area (which is huge) also includes the railway station, port and cemetery. All of which are high crime areas anywhere.
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Who said anything about a significant change in pattern? She said she had been presented with complaints about anti social behaviour, violence and litering on Greenway Road. There isnt anything relating to a significant change in pattern.

She said residents had also complained that police didn't come when called. This isnt unusual. Littering is a council matter not a police matter and reports of anti social behaviour can often involve the fact that a big group of lads are hanging about on a corner. That doesnt change the fact that MPs are often the next port of call with these kind of concerns and a big part of local policing and constituency MP work is sorting the constant local complaints from the serious issues that need looking at. None of which means that the MP was lying or not doing her duty to raise issues she herself has been highlighted. As ive said it is 10-a-penny for an MP to do a video about local complaints regarding crime and littering. If it was a labour MP nobody would have batted an eyelid. Which is the entire point.
 
Saying you are taking legal action, whatever and against whoever who knows...but that's the news part. Had she not made the legal claim i also think it is unlikely to be highlighted
 
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