Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

[LutonSpurs]

Well you had your chance to answer I’ve not held your hands behind your back have I? And I didn’t know that you set the rules on the forum. I’ll engage as I like.

You asked me the question ffs. Absolute snowflake. Run off when challenged. I can define what far right is. Tommy Robinson. End of. Now tell me why I am wrong. Or next time don't Qoute me and then refuse to engage. Blimey.

 

[Gazza]

You asked me the question ffs. Absolute snowflake. Run off when challenged. I can define what far right is. Tommy Robinson. End of. Now tell me why I am wrong. Or next time don't Qoute me and then refuse to engage. Blimey.

Haha all in your own head. Ran off? Hence my PA replying right?

I’m the snowflake who cannot understand why people are protesting against the government and the islamists?

That’s your intelligent sixpence of a definition of right wing? And your made up rule of a racist.

Blimey indeed.

 

[LutonSpurs]

Haha all in your own head. Ran off? Hence my PA replying right?

I’m the snowflake who cannot understand why people are protesting against the government and the islamists?

That’s your intelligent sixpence of a definition of right wing? And your made up rule of a racist.

Blimey indeed.

So what maketh a far right person? So I can correct rmy misunderstanding?

I won't expect a coherent or intelligent response.

 

[Gazza]

So what maketh a far right person? So I can correct rmy misunderstanding?

I won't expect a coherent or intelligent response.

I don’t think you could understand it if I’m honest judging you by your own definitions and ideals.

Didn’t you read the post above ? Or are you just internet raging ? Not surprised

 

[LutonSpurs]

I don’t think you could understand it if I’m honest judging you by your own definitions and ideals.

Didn’t you read the post above ? Or are you just internet raging ? Not surprised

I want to know what a far right person is. That's all. I'm not raging. I just hate to see racists like Tommy and Farage having so much sway amongst the most gullible and naive in society.

 

[Gazza]

I want to know what a far right person is. That's all. I'm not raging. I just hate to see racists like Tommy and Farage having so much sway amongst the most gullible and naive in society.

I’m of Asian heritage and was a little concerned a long time ago about Tommy Robinson and then have watched many hours of what he has been saying about some real topics. I don’t think you have? I mean surely you agree with him on certain issues like the Muslim Pakistani rape gangs and all of those involved should be locked up for life, named and shamed as an example? Those that covered it up?

So much sway amongst the gullible and naive, I think you should have a look in the mirror.

 

[spurspinter1]

It's disingenuous to use hindsight in such a way, and exactly why we have laws.
Laws are just philosophy and evolve over time.
Re; your Rosa Parks comparison - see my post including the ANC, IRA, Suffragettes etc. I cover that principle in detail, and the principle of using hindsight in a previous post.

There is an important, and fascinating thought experiment that helps with this principle (and sprung to mind with assassination of the guy in the US a few days ago):
Most people would agree Hitler was incredibly evil.
Most people would agree the world would have been better without Hitler.
Few people mourn Hitler's death.

The question - at what point do you consider killing Hitler to be justified?

(On that note, there is play on in London at the which raises the question "what would have happened if Hitlers mum had let Freud work with him as a child". Sadly I don't have time to get down to see it.)

I don't want to come off like I'm ignoring this response, but also tbh don't want to trawl through other responses. How is what I said disingenuous?

Laws do indeed evolve over time but ideally will move in the right direction and that's not backwards. I'm a bit surprised at your stance on this but it's possible I haven't properly comprehended it - And it's not like everyone within a certain political sphere will agree on everything (kind of goes without saying of course but hopefully it's worth noting).

On Hitler I don't know, I'm a naive soul who just hopes both sides stop killing each other, why just just carry on playing football instead of getting back in the trenches once Christmas was done with (different war but same concept).

 

[LutonSpurs]

I’m of Asian heritage and was a little concerned a long time ago about Tommy Robinson and then have watched many hours of what he has been saying about some real topics. I don’t think you have? I mean surely you agree with him on certain issues like the Muslim Pakistani rape gangs and all of those involved should be locked up for life, named and shamed as an example? Those that covered it up?

So much sway amongst the gullible and naive, I think you should have a look in the mirror.

I am Pakistani and Muslim. Do you think I'm more likely to be a groomer than you. I don't care if you're Asian. I just know what Tommy is about. I can show you where he has been racist. Endless examples if you are willing to accept that. I can provide you with definitions of far right from any political analysis if you like too. I can give you the stats that say white men are proportionately more likely to be groomers than Pakistani men in our country based on arrests. I can show you what ever to prove you are wrong in your racist assumptions pal. Up to you. If you want a proper discussion we can have it

 

[Baleforce]

Imagine defending Tommy Robinson.

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

And Nigel-I bought-a-house-in-Clacton-oh-oops- it-was-my-partner-who-doesn’t-actually-have-enough-money-to-buy-the-house*-Farage is going to give you the transparency you crave?

*allegedly.

He is transparent in who he is. It is there for everyone to see. He made a video about what a good gravy train being an MEP was and that he was earning more than he was as a banker with all the expenses but only doing 3-4 days work. He also does shorts on life in Parliament. About what expenses you can claim and the culture inside. Transparency isn't actually about being a nice person

 

[Gazza]

Imagine defending Tommy Robinson.

Imagine believing everything that you hear about him?

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

The people on here who are unhappy with the state of the country, with how they feel about the their English identity, I promise you reform and Tommy are not the answer. Not socially. Not economically. Not in any way. They are not good people. They do not care about you.

Now this isn't to say the others do care. But they will not be as bad for us as these guys both socially or economically.

They will destroy this country rather than save it.

Who should I vote for then?

 

[Gazza]

I am Pakistani and Muslim. Do you think I'm more likely to be a groomer than you. I don't care if you're Asian. I just know what Tommy is about. I can show you where he has been racist. Endless examples if you are willing to accept that. I can provide you with definitions of far right from any political analysis if you like too. I can give you the stats that say white men are proportionately more likely to be groomers than Pakistani men in our country based on arrests. I can show you what ever to prove you are wrong in your racist assumptions pal. Up to you. If you want a proper discussion we can have it

I’m sure you could. I can only go on what I’ve seen of him. He has interviewed countless people from various backgrounds and actually praised minorities from those backgrounds. You may feel aggrieved because he is from Luton, and has highlighted issues in Islam and rape gangs. That may not sit well with you I appreciate that, but give me freedom of speech all day long. I should be able to say whatever I want about anyone’s religion and not get death threats, threats to go to jail, or targeted.

Do I think you are more likely to be a groomer than me? If you don’t condemn the rape gangs then yes.

 

[LutonSpurs]

I’m sure you could. I can only go on what I’ve seen of him. He has interviewed countless people from various backgrounds and actually praised minorities from those backgrounds. You may feel aggrieved because he is from Luton, and has highlighted issues in Islam and rape gangs. That may not sit well with you I appreciate that, but give me freedom of speech all day long. I should be able to say whatever I want about anyone’s religion and not get death threats, threats to go to jail, or targeted.

Do I think you are more likely to be a groomer than me? If you don’t condemn the rape gangs then yes.

OK. Damn.

 

[LutonSpurs]

Who should I vote for then?

I don't care tbh. But believing they will improve anything is stupid.

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

I’m of Asian heritage and was a little concerned a long time ago about Tommy Robinson and then have watched many hours of what he has been saying about some real topics. I don’t think you have? I mean surely you agree with him on certain issues like the Muslim Pakistani rape gangs and all of those involved should be locked up for life, named and shamed as an example? Those that covered it up?

So much sway amongst the gullible and naive, I think you should have a look in the mirror.

One of the most subtle racisms there is actually is just basically pigeonholing ethnic minorities into political categories. Like they all need to be left wing and pro immigration.

Ben Habib is a British Pakistani who has left Reform and formed Advance UK, a right wing party into which he has welcomed Tommy Robinson.

Obviously Zia Yusuf is one of the leading figures in Reform.

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

I don't care tbh. But believing they will improve anything is stupid.

You clearly do care given your "appeal" post to those on here thinking they aren't the solution. So what is the solution?

 

[Rorschach]

You say any more you maybe considered a racist.

I think this is why many people are marching, we are getting screwed left right and centre then have to swallow the pill of seeing illegals getting put up in hotels, spending money, what looks like good food and a free ride in general. It’s infuriating how this country is being run.

If they are in hotels they are in the asylum system and can not work. There is nothing illegal about it.

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

I said I want the government out. I want to vote against this government so I repeat - where do I go? What am I not going to like about voting for Reform?

A rabid maniac? I want politicians in charge that are transparent in what they stand for. I want politicians in charge that don't say one thing and do another. I don't want to be a global embarrassment with the Chancellor crying in Parliament. I want a leader that can control his party and get key policies through such as welfare cuts.

In terms of me and my family, my job isn't secure. The need to cut a tonne of cost at work - thats the business strategy in response to higher operating and employment costs and poor economic growth forecasts: a direct result of the policies of this government.

I am being asked to pay more for everything in the meantime. The school is constantly asking for money as government funding isnt enough to keep school dinners on the table.

I am now being asked to pay £300 a week for wrap around care. Council have reduced bin collections and closed the local recycling centre but put up council tax.

I could go on and on. These are consequences of successive governments. This one is simply taking us further in the wrong direction.

Yeah I come across as a rabid maniac - I am f*cking fuming at the absolute state of the country, working harder for less and the narcissistic f*ckwittery we have rammed down our necks on a weekly basis from those in charge.

How much of your life is 'on YOU'?

Do you still back yourself to make good decisions?

Do you feel you've lost autonomy?

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

If thery are in hotels they are in the assulum system and can not work. There is nothing illegal about it.

Let's not go down this road again....