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OMT *** Tottenham Hotspur v woolwich *** 22.2.26

stratnumberone said:
We were massively outclassed yesterday.

What worries me is that they seemed more up for it and fresher than us. I’m pretty sure they’d played THREE times since our last game.

Having now seen back our second goal I have to say that yet again the officials were appalling. I thought they were poor all game actually. Several times their defenders played the man rather than the ball and every time the ref allowed it. Meanwhile every time Saka fell over it was FK.

But it’s the key decisions in key moments that are killing us. We had the hilarity of Eze’s offside goal being given in the away match (to make it 2-0) and now today that abomination of a decision by Bankes to keep the score at 1-2.

I’m not saying that either decision would’ve made a difference (it’s actually fairly unlikely) but the simple facts are that ‘goals change games’ and the officials are consistently putting us on the wrong side of these decisions. Contrast the disallowed goal yesterday with Ekitike pushing Romero for Liverpool’s winner and I think it shows a lot. Abysmal as we are, it’s simply impossible to contend with having to ‘beat’ the officials as well.

I’m amazed how many people think there’s no chance that we can go down.
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Wolves managed to give them something home and away
I mean they scored all the goals at theirs
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Looked to me at the game like one player putting his hands up to stop the other reversing into him
And that player then doing a horrendous leap to make sure he wins a foul knowing he was nowhere near where the defected cross was landing
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Did var look at it? I just can't believe if they did they thought it was fine. I mean I can believe cos its us. If other way round we wouldnt have been given the pen.
 
balesleftboot said:
More angry about our dissalowed goal this morning then I was yesterday. Don't get me wrong I know we were terrible but if that goes level at that point yesterday anything could happen.

Liverpool scored a goal against us earlier in the season with a far more blatant push than the one we saw yesterday and of course the goal stood. There is no consistency with the officiaring whatsoever.

I didn't see any of the after match reaction but did any of ours mention that goal in the post match interviews ? If not then they should have. Any other big team would. Make it very loud. Constantly on the wrong end of decisions. Still not had a penalty in the league this season.
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We would actually need to be in the box for us to be ignored
 
P.D. said:
We were genuinely awful yesterday, no patterns of play or anything. Could barely string 2 passes together, it was actually embarrassing how easily they ran rings round us without even trying.

We could very well go down on that evidence, I've not actually watched us much this season but if it's been as bad as that every week then it makes hanging onto Frank even worse.

There was no fight or grit at all, it's a derby yet no one wanted to put in any big tackles, take a yellow for the team etc - we need a miracle from somewhere.
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Rich made a 1 yard pass and managed to give them a throw in
 
lurker of old said:
The overload on our left side seemed to me to be similar to the overload which Saudi Sportswashing Machine created on our left side, with players like Spence not knowing where to be, which player to mark. If I was the Fulham manager, I'd aim to repeat it against us...
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If I was any manager I would just tell them to play football and that will be enough
 
braineclipse said:
Is there a system/formation the currently available players are well suited to? Particularly in a game against a very good team. Seems to me like we'd be imbalanced no matter what.

It's not like we packed a flat back 5 at the back. And I definitely don't think that's how Tudor wants us to play in other games either.

Souza for his full debut in the NLD up against Saka, I think that would be asking a hell of a lot of the lad.
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Again the board taking yrs to get a grown up in. And when we do finally address the problem we have ignored, we buy this
 
Nexus1967 said:
Just had a re read through the thread after a few days and I still think that our wage structure and recruitment policy is what has caused our decline since the Champions league final. I know we pay more than the likes of Palace Brentford Fulham etc to name a few but there are at least 6 or 7 clubs whos wage bill is significantly higher than ours. Its why the likes of City and Arsenal can get top class players to join them. City got Semenyo and Guehi for a combined £85mil ? in January. Both of them miles better in their respective positions than anyone we have got. Our recruitment has been terrible for years. I know there is no replacements available for the likes of Son and Kane when they left but Kane to Bayern and Tel to us good grief.
I`ve seen it said in the thread that some of you think Simons is going to be a top player but I just can`t see it. He has been at 2 of the biggest Clubs in Europe PSG and Barcelona and they let him go then PSV and Liepzig same again until we pay 55 million euros for him. And some on here think he will be a better player than Eze when he gets to Eze`s current age. For one Eze is not even a starter for Arsenal and 2 he`s not that good it`s just that we have made him look good for a couple of games. If we get a full squad with no injuries Simons will be a bench warmer at best, I`ll be amazed if he becomes a consistent starter for us.
In fact in 3 years and 5 managers time I doubt hardly any of our current squad will still be playing for us
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Kevin De Bruyne blew it at Chelsea and that didn't prevent him from being one of the best players in the world. There are plenty of reasons why a quality player wouldn't make it in a top club: competition for places is too tough, lack of competition for places, poor relationship with the manager and so on.

Having said that, I don't think Simmons will ever make it in England, for two reasons: a) he's a bit lightweight and b) in order to become a top player, you have to play in a good team. Peak Eriksen would look bang average in this team. Maybe he'll get picked up by a Top 6 at a later stage, but as long as we're stuck in relegation battles, he'll never realise whatever potential he may have.

Our current squad is full of players who have neither the quality nor the mentality to be considered 'good'.
 
I just watched the game back on SpursPlay with fresh eyes and a refreshing commentary from Rob Daly and Clive Allen (rather than the biased Sky Arsefest) and the game felt a lot closer than I remembered.

It is true that Arse deserved it, they had way more shots and control, but a few observations:

For their first goal Saka stumbles his way past Sarr's challenge and nutmegs Sarr fortuitously, then crosses it and Rob Daly says it went through both Bissouma and Gallagher's legs, so that is a triple nutmeg, each of which was fortunate rather than skill.

For their second, Gyokeres gets a yard of space and suddenly thunders in a good shot from >20 yards, not what we are used to seeing from him.

For their third Sarr heads it back to Dragusin, who could have controlled it on his chest and cleared it, but because Dragusin is a bit shaky he stoops and heads it back at Bissouma's feet but Eze is faster to react and nips in. Bissouma and Sarr sigh and jog back REALLY SLOWLY just watching Arse attack us.
Dragusin and VdV sprint back, VdV makes a good tackle and the ball bounces off Palhinha's heel, through his own legs, directly to Eze to score again. Unlucky nutmeg number 4. Meanwhile Bissouma only reacts and tries to sprint once the ball hits Palhinha, which is too late. If he had run back with purpose he would easily have stopped that goal.

At 2-1 Muani's goal was harshly ruled out.
At 3-1 Richie's flicked effort went through Raya's legs and was scraped off the line by Raya's fingertips, another 5cm or 5 degrees of scrape and Raya would have clawed it into his own net.

So Arse deserved the win but we put up a much better fight than I remembered, almost every one of our players busted a gut and really battled, and had the ref been on our side, or lady luck, we could have got a point or 3.

Note VdV was well up for it as well, steaming into challenges throughout the game, and was not half arsing anything.
 
Mrs Vert said:
The fact we got 4pts off city and not a frigging one of this lot tinkles me right off
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It's who we are mate... over the past 8 PL games we’ve taken a grand total of 1 point off those gobby Goons whilst we’ve plundered 11 points from Pep in that time 🙃

Hopefully that 5 point swing doesn’t prove to be decisive in the title race this season 🤞

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Bullet said:
I just watched the game back on SpursPlay with fresh eyes and a refreshing commentary from Rob Daly and Clive Allen (rather than the biased Sky Arsefest) and the game felt a lot closer than I remembered.

It is true that Arse deserved it, they had way more shots and control, but a few observations:

For their first goal Saka stumbles his way past Sarr's challenge and nutmegs Sarr fortuitously, then crosses it and Rob Daly says it went through both Bissouma and Gallagher's legs, so that is a triple nutmeg, each of which was fortunate rather than skill.

For their second, Gyokeres gets a yard of space and suddenly thunders in a good shot from >20 yards, not what we are used to seeing from him.

For their third Sarr heads it back to Dragusin, who could have controlled it on his chest and cleared it, but because Dragusin is a bit shaky he stoops and heads it back at Bissouma's feet but Eze is faster to react and nips in. Bissouma and Sarr sigh and jog back REALLY SLOWLY just watching Arse attack us.
Dragusin and VdV sprint back, VdV makes a good tackle and the ball bounces off Palhinha's heel, through his own legs, directly to Eze to score again. Unlucky nutmeg number 4. Meanwhile Bissouma only reacts and tries to sprint once the ball hits Palhinha, which is too late. If he had run back with purpose he would easily have stopped that goal.

At 2-1 Muani's goal was harshly ruled out.
At 3-1 Richie's flicked effort went through Raya's legs and was scraped off the line by Raya's fingertips, another 5cm or 5 degrees of scrape and Raya would have clawed it into his own net.

So Arse deserved the win but we put up a much better fight than I remembered, almost every one of our players busted a gut and really battled, and had the ref been on our side, or lady luck, we could have got a point or 3.

Note VdV was well up for it as well, steaming into challenges throughout the game, and was not half arsing anything.
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I agree with all of your post EXCEPT the part about “had the ref been on our side”. We didn’t need him to be on our side (and nor should we expect him to be); we just needed him NOT to be on their side (and he should be expected to be…).

All season they seem to have had ‘friendly’ officials. I just don’t understand it. When’s the last time we had a ‘homer’ official? I know I sound like a broken record lamenting the decisions that go in their favour and those that go against us, but the argument that ‘these things even themselves out’ is patently gonads!
 
Just reading the latest posts and I am of the same opinion as Bullet above. At first it always seem raw and it seemed looking at the result that we were totally schooled on Sunday. But talking to a couple of lads at work who were at the game after our initial reaction we all agreed that though Arsenal were the better side there were a couple of what if/ if only moments in the game and it was a lot closer than the result looked. What if Muanis "push" had not been penalised, if only there had been a bit more on it the ball would have crossed the line and Reya would not been able to claw it away. If only Dragusin had smashed the ball away and not tried to head it etc etc. So if only the ball hadn`t fallen nicely for the Arse all game and the Ref was a bit better it could have been a different story.
 
Curious about the empty block at southern end of east stand.

Not curious enough to read 50 pages - any informed call signs ?
 
Nexus1967 said:
Just reading the latest posts and I am of the same opinion as Bullet above. At first it always seem raw and it seemed looking at the result that we were totally schooled on Sunday. But talking to a couple of lads at work who were at the game after our initial reaction we all agreed that though Arsenal were the better side there were a couple of what if/ if only moments in the game and it was a lot closer than the result looked. What if Muanis "push" had not been penalised, if only there had been a bit more on it the ball would have crossed the line and Reya would not been able to claw it away. If only Dragusin had smashed the ball away and not tried to head it etc etc. So if only the ball hadn`t fallen nicely for the Arse all game and the Ref was a bit better it could have been a different story.
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...what if Gabriel had been penalised first-half for shoving Muani over with no interest in the ball? What if Timber had been penalised for rugby tackling Xavi in the first-half thus preventing him getting on the end of a 1-2 in and around the box?

That disallowed goal was a disgrace. 2-2 and I think we'd absolutely have got something out of it. The fact our club is too chickens-hit scared to call that stuff out is so poor!
 
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