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***OMT - Tottenham Hotspur v Leeds United, Mon May 11th, 8pm, Tottenham Hotspur Stadium***

Goose said:
absolutely. this front 3 are largely devoid of any footballing intelligence.
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I think that's my biggest worry. Wham's front three is miles ahead of ours. If they were our front three I'd feel a lot more confident in these last two games
 
Tel had 2 major brainfarts in our box one led to a penalty the other could have given away a goal but for Super Kev. Weigh that against a brilliant goal. This is what you get with a youngster. I mean an overhead kick in your own box, what were you thinking? Surely RDZ is going to remind him of that. In the ideal world he's not a starter. But our world is far from ideal. And Randall Kolo Muani, I think he is actually improving week by week. Yesterday, he has a decent game.
 
Ok positivity, we pulled a further point away meaning of wham lose to Saudi Sportswashing Machine we only need a point at Chelscum to be clear. We also didn’t lose meaning we have continued our no losing streak
 
The thing that killed us yesterday was the Struijk (?) injury straight after our goal. We had our feet on their throat and momentum and that just sucked it all away. For me, that was the catalyst and said it to my mate at the time that it was the last thing we needed.

After then, the game became messy which suited Leeds and allowed them to get a foothold. Obviously there’s no legislating for Tel’s brain fart, but we lost the initiative almost as soon as we got it.

For fudges’ sake. It’s going to be bum-clenching tense now. We need RDZ to get in their heads again as us not winning is a huge boost for the Spammers.
 
DeanoAustin said:
What was the rationale they offered Steff? I didn’t think it was in the stadium and still don’t think it was having seen the replay.

Being an official right now is brick. I’m seeing all sorts of posts today about how they are trying to keep us in the league. “The offside that wasn’t”, “all those added minutes”, “the disallowed West Ham goal”. There is no conspiracy but for any subjective decision, officials get hammered by 50% of the people. Guess this is what happens in a world where people seem to be entitled to their own facts.
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It's definitely a weird one. I do believe we've been shafted by the officials this season. Maybe some are enjoying the narrative of sending Tottenham down. Yet you would probably have to agree that 13 minutes of stoppage time was a bit odd aswell. Maybe they thought that knowing us we'd find a way to lose the game in that time 🙄
 
mjc23 said:
I think our survival unfortunately rests on Saudi Sportswashing Machine beating Wham, which I think is a real flip of a coin, depending on which Saudi Sportswashing Machine team turn up
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A draw would still keep them behind us going into the final weekend regardless of our result against Chelsea. I’d be happy with that. I think if we go into the game v Everton knowing that a win would mean survival we’ll do it.
 
No argument with the penalty awarded to Leeds.

With the Maddison one, its been forever refereed that if you get a touch on the ball it's no penalty. The only modern day tweak to that rule is if you come in with extreme force then just getting a touch on the ball mat not save you from giving away a penalty. The Leeds defenders action nowhere near falls into that category.

Of course, you might think he didn't touch the ball, and that's fair enough, but we'd have to agree to disagree.
 
balesleftboot said:
It's definitely a weird one. I do believe we've been shafted by the officials this season. Maybe some are enjoying the narrative of sending Tottenham down. Yet you would probably have to agree that 13 minutes of stoppage time was a bit odd aswell. Maybe they thought that knowing us we'd find a way to lose the game in that time 🙄
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I expected about 10 mins stoppage time because there were two lengthy stoppages at the start of the second half. You throw in the VAR checks and subs and I was a little surprised it was 13 but it wasn't unreasonable.

On the officiating, for sure we've had some inconsistent decisions this year and we've had a few go against us. But we aren't where we are because of officials. We are where we are because of us.

When I hear fans point to officials as the source of our woe, I'm reminded of a brilliant speech from Rocky Balboa of all people:

Somewhere along the line, you changed. You stopped being you. You let people stick a finger in your face and tell you you’re no good. And when things got hard, you started looking for something to blame. Like a big shadow.

Let me tell you something you already know. The world ain’t all sunshine and rainbows. It’s a very mean and nasty place and I don’t care how tough you are, it will beat you to your knees and keep you there permanently if you let it.

You, me, or nobody is gonna hit as hard as life. But it ain’t about how hard you hit, it’s about how hard you get hit and keep movin’ forward. How much you can take, and keep movin’ forward. That’s how winning is done!

Now, if you know what you’re worth, go out and get what you’re worth – but you gotta be willing to take the hits. And not pointin’ fingers sayin’ you ain’t where you want to be because of him or her or anybody. Cowards do that and that ain’t you! You’re better than that.
 
Without reading the whole thread since last night i think we were OK last night, a clear improvement over Frank and Tudor, with a game plan and identifiable patterns of play. Richy takes that chance for 2-0 and its game over for me. Two brainfarts and we were back to square 1 - Richy initially and Tel with the overhead.

The clear issue last night was the quality up front, Tel, Richy and Muani are just very limited players and ultimately, i think injuries will be our downfall.

We also need to remember that there was no jeopardy for Leeds last night, they could play how they wanted and really go for it at the end,

Hopefully with Madders back we may have just enough to get over the line but its 50/50 for me. West Ham have shown more then enough that they could get a result vs both Saudi Sportswashing Machine and Leeds but i dont see them winning both.

The main issue for us we may need a HOME WIN against Everton...
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
No argument with the penalty awarded to Leeds.

With the Maddison one, its been forever refereed that if you get a touch on the ball it's no penalty. The only modern day tweak to that rule is if you come in with extreme force then just getting a touch on the ball mat not save you from giving away a penalty. The Leeds defenders action nowhere near falls into that category.

Of course, you might think he didn't touch the ball, and that's fair enough, but we'd have to agree to disagree.
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Surprised to come on here to see people claiming that was a penalty to be honest. If that had been given against us there would be outrage and conspiracy theory claims being thrown about. Was never a penalty....
 
DeanoAustin said:
What was the rationale they offered Steff? I didn’t think it was in the stadium and still don’t think it was having seen the replay.

Being an official right now is brick. I’m seeing all sorts of posts today about how they are trying to keep us in the league. “The offside that wasn’t”, “all those added minutes”, “the disallowed West Ham goal”. There is no conspiracy but for any subjective decision, officials get hammered by 50% of the people. Guess this is what happens in a world where people seem to be entitled to their own facts.
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I am not suggesting a conspiracy to be clear. And if Gilet calls it real time VAR does not have enough to turn it over. So IMO he made a mistake. The rationale offered was that the defender touched the ball first; that is highly debatable. What is clear is Maddison has the ball, the ball does not move out of his path and the challenge takes him down.
 
thfcsteff said:
I am not suggesting a conspiracy to be clear. And if Gilet calls it real time VAR does not have enough to turn it over. So IMO he made a mistake. The rationale offered was that the defender touched the ball first; that is highly debatable. What is clear is Maddison has the ball, the ball does not move out of his path and the challenge takes him down.
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Genuinely, I don't think it was a pen. I think the defender gets something on the ball. I thought it at the time and I still think it having watched the replay. It's a debatable one I guess but I wouldn't call it a terrible decision or anything and the fact that many are still debating it well after the fact means it wasn't an absolute clanger like the Bentancur decision at Saudi Sportswashing Machine for example.
 
DeanoAustin said:
Genuinely, I don't think it was a pen. I think the defender gets something on the ball. I thought it at the time and I still think it having watched the replay. It's a debatable one I guess but I wouldn't call it a terrible decision or anything and the fact that many are still debating it well after the fact means it wasn't an absolute clanger like the Bentancur decision at Saudi Sportswashing Machine for example.
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All good mate.
I thought it was and still think it was.
We will have a few more decision situations like this in the final two games IMO...it's how football today is wired.
 
harr1984 said:
Surprised to come on here to see people claiming that was a penalty to be honest. If that had been given against us there would be outrage and conspiracy theory claims being thrown about. Was never a penalty....
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Yup he got the ball. No pen, id be livid if that was given against us.

You get the ball no pen, I don't even think if you take the player out it's a pen if you get the ball. The Chelsea pen against Romero in Ange's first season still tinkles me off. 😅🤣
 
thfcsteff said:
I am not suggesting a conspiracy to be clear. And if Gilet calls it real time VAR does not have enough to turn it over. So IMO he made a mistake. The rationale offered was that the defender touched the ball first; that is highly debatable. What is clear is Maddison has the ball, the ball does not move out of his path and the challenge takes him down.
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I don't think it's was a mistake....as it couldn't conclusively be proven the defender hadn't touched it.

Likewise flip it round and Gilet had given it ....it couldn't conclusively be proven he had touched it, so the pen would have stood.

So technically it couldn't be a mistake as the ref would be right no matter what decision he gave 🤣
 
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