Re: Official Nabil Bentaleb Thread
I think you remember wrong then - Capoue has been no worse than solid....
I think you remember wrong then - Capoue has been no worse than solid....
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Nabil Bentaleb
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NaijaSpurs
Rafael Van Der Vaart
Re: Official Nabil Bentaleb Thread
I would suggest Eriksen is a better option for central midfield ahead of him at the moment as on the left he does feck all, by which I mean he plays everywhere except on the left giving Rose very little protection or support.
I would suggest Eriksen is a better option for central midfield ahead of him at the moment as on the left he does feck all, by which I mean he plays everywhere except on the left giving Rose very little protection or support.
braineclipse
Willie Hall
Re: Official Nabil Bentaleb Thread
Which part of my post are you saying sounded like Capoue is a clogger?
I rate Capoue, but Bentaleb is clearly a different player type and to me clearly a better passer, has shown better movement and better touches. He's shown more in terms of passing than any of the 4 players AVB played in the centre and he's helped us attacking play.
Which part of my post are you saying sounded like Capoue is a clogger?
I rate Capoue, but Bentaleb is clearly a different player type and to me clearly a better passer, has shown better movement and better touches. He's shown more in terms of passing than any of the 4 players AVB played in the centre and he's helped us attacking play.
braineclipse
Willie Hall
Re: Official Nabil Bentaleb Thread
Possibly, but I don't think Eriksen has shown himself better defensively than Bentaleb and I think Bentaleb is doing very well on the ball in that central role.
We'll just have to wait and see what Sherwood does when more players return from injury I suppose. I'm very happy that he's putting a focus on passing and movement at least and I'm delighted with the early signs Bentaleb is showing.
Possibly, but I don't think Eriksen has shown himself better defensively than Bentaleb and I think Bentaleb is doing very well on the ball in that central role.
We'll just have to wait and see what Sherwood does when more players return from injury I suppose. I'm very happy that he's putting a focus on passing and movement at least and I'm delighted with the early signs Bentaleb is showing.
Kingdawson
Banned
Re: Official Nabil Bentaleb Thread
No, Eriksen is perfect in that left sided role. Sometimes he drifts in and out of games but he's generally been good, and his picking up excellent goal scoring positions.
I still think Sandro and Dembele is the way forward in the middle.
No, Eriksen is perfect in that left sided role. Sometimes he drifts in and out of games but he's generally been good, and his picking up excellent goal scoring positions.
I still think Sandro and Dembele is the way forward in the middle.
Kingdawson
Banned
Re: Official Nabil Bentaleb Thread
Altough we have very good options in the middle with Paulinho, Capoue, Benteleb, and Holtby (i would only play Holtby if he's partnering Sandro though).
Altough we have very good options in the middle with Paulinho, Capoue, Benteleb, and Holtby (i would only play Holtby if he's partnering Sandro though).
NaijaSpurs
Rafael Van Der Vaart
Re: Official Nabil Bentaleb Thread
Perfect? I think not. He cannot be perfect if he fails to support his full back. Sure he gets in excellent goal scoring positions but that has nothing to do with him playing on the left, if he played on the right (which does not work for me) or in the middle (which does) he would still get into goal scoring positions.
Perfect? I think not. He cannot be perfect if he fails to support his full back. Sure he gets in excellent goal scoring positions but that has nothing to do with him playing on the left, if he played on the right (which does not work for me) or in the middle (which does) he would still get into goal scoring positions.
NaijaSpurs
Rafael Van Der Vaart
Re: Official Nabil Bentaleb Thread
I could see Townsend replacing him on the left in due course
I could see Townsend replacing him on the left in due course
Re: Official Nabil Bentaleb Thread
Well you did say:
That to me sounds like a clogger, people being busy in the midfield without ever actually doing anything.
Well you did say:
That to me sounds like a clogger, people being busy in the midfield without ever actually doing anything.
Re: Official Nabil Bentaleb Thread
Exactly - people forget we won 4 out or our first 5 games I think when he was playing and controlled them very well.
Exactly - people forget we won 4 out or our first 5 games I think when he was playing and controlled them very well.
Kingdawson
Banned
NaijaSpurs
Rafael Van Der Vaart
Re: Official Nabil Bentaleb Thread
Maybe because with Townsend injured we lack a natural left winger. The fact that he prefers Ericksen ahead of Chadli is not really saying much when I consider how unimpressed I have been with the latter.
Sorry you mean goal scoring positions, well he scored a couple under AVB, nut to be honest I think Ericksen simply needed time to find his feet in this league.
Against Arsenal he gave Rose zero support and got into zero scoring positions. Personally I like Ericksen but not on the left flank, particularly because he simply never plays ( I mean stays) there
Maybe because with Townsend injured we lack a natural left winger. The fact that he prefers Ericksen ahead of Chadli is not really saying much when I consider how unimpressed I have been with the latter.
Sorry you mean goal scoring positions, well he scored a couple under AVB, nut to be honest I think Ericksen simply needed time to find his feet in this league.
Against Arsenal he gave Rose zero support and got into zero scoring positions. Personally I like Ericksen but not on the left flank, particularly because he simply never plays ( I mean stays) there
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braineclipse
Willie Hall
Re: Official Nabil Bentaleb Thread
Part of why he's getting into scoring positions is because he has (or takes) less defensive responsibility on the flank. Him not tracking full backs properly gives him a lot more freedom, wouldn't get away with that in the centre of the park I think.
Very few players have the ability to play in the centre of a 4-4-2 and still be a consistent goal threat, haven't seen that ability in Eriksen yet at least although it's obviously possible that he could develop that.
You realize I was talking about all the 4 central options used under AVB? All of Sandro, Dembele, Paulinho and Capoue. If you really think I described them all as cloggers I think you should have jumped in to defend Dembele and Paulinho first, but I didn't actually describe them as such. Seems like a typical polarization of a viewpoint that wasn't polarized. I didn't call them cloggers, I pointed out some of their limitations that I think are fair.
If you disagree, tell me about the midfield partnership we featured using two of those 4 players that gave us enough passing tempo and movement in the centre of the park. Which of them offers passing tempo, movement and proper first touches? I haven't seen enough of that from any of them, certainly nowhere near the level Bentaleb showed against Palace.
Once again I point out his passing stats. Over 100 attempted passes in total. He completed 48 out of 52 passes in the first half, the half where we as a team were outright poor. Most games Dembele, Paulinho, Capoue and Sandro struggle to get significantly past 52 passes in a game even when we're playing well.
Part of why he's getting into scoring positions is because he has (or takes) less defensive responsibility on the flank. Him not tracking full backs properly gives him a lot more freedom, wouldn't get away with that in the centre of the park I think.
Very few players have the ability to play in the centre of a 4-4-2 and still be a consistent goal threat, haven't seen that ability in Eriksen yet at least although it's obviously possible that he could develop that.
You realize I was talking about all the 4 central options used under AVB? All of Sandro, Dembele, Paulinho and Capoue. If you really think I described them all as cloggers I think you should have jumped in to defend Dembele and Paulinho first, but I didn't actually describe them as such. Seems like a typical polarization of a viewpoint that wasn't polarized. I didn't call them cloggers, I pointed out some of their limitations that I think are fair.
If you disagree, tell me about the midfield partnership we featured using two of those 4 players that gave us enough passing tempo and movement in the centre of the park. Which of them offers passing tempo, movement and proper first touches? I haven't seen enough of that from any of them, certainly nowhere near the level Bentaleb showed against Palace.
Once again I point out his passing stats. Over 100 attempted passes in total. He completed 48 out of 52 passes in the first half, the half where we as a team were outright poor. Most games Dembele, Paulinho, Capoue and Sandro struggle to get significantly past 52 passes in a game even when we're playing well.
braineclipse
Willie Hall
Re: Official Nabil Bentaleb Thread
This seems to be a fairly common view, and certainly it's a good midfield partnership. I remain concerned that in terms of passing that's a fairly poor partnership.
Apart from Chelsea under Mourinho (who had one of the best target men in the league in Drogba and used him a lot) which top teams have been successful with a midfield partnership that's as limited as those two in terms of passing and passing tempo?
This seems to be a fairly common view, and certainly it's a good midfield partnership. I remain concerned that in terms of passing that's a fairly poor partnership.
Apart from Chelsea under Mourinho (who had one of the best target men in the league in Drogba and used him a lot) which top teams have been successful with a midfield partnership that's as limited as those two in terms of passing and passing tempo?
Kingdawson
Banned
Re: Official Nabil Bentaleb Thread
Forget scoring, he rarely got himself in goalscoring positions when he's played centrally.
He's getting in these positions now because he has licence to drift around, to roam. It harder to mark the run of a left sided player coming in field then it is if he started in a central position, hence him picking up some great positions.
At Arsenal he got into zero scoring positions? hmmmmm minus the 1 on 1 where he should have buried it you mean?
Forget scoring, he rarely got himself in goalscoring positions when he's played centrally.
He's getting in these positions now because he has licence to drift around, to roam. It harder to mark the run of a left sided player coming in field then it is if he started in a central position, hence him picking up some great positions.
At Arsenal he got into zero scoring positions? hmmmmm minus the 1 on 1 where he should have buried it you mean?
Kingdawson
Banned
Re: Official Nabil Bentaleb Thread
Opposition players are fining it hard to track his runs since he moved to the left. Valencia was left for dead because he didn't notice, the gooner right back left for dead, yesterday again completely unmarked. He's had other chances too to score.
Defensively he does leave Rose exposed, i agree, but i wouldn't change anything now (except introduce Lamela into the starting X1 in place of Soldado)...to partner Ade.
Opposition players are fining it hard to track his runs since he moved to the left. Valencia was left for dead because he didn't notice, the gooner right back left for dead, yesterday again completely unmarked. He's had other chances too to score.
Defensively he does leave Rose exposed, i agree, but i wouldn't change anything now (except introduce Lamela into the starting X1 in place of Soldado)...to partner Ade.
braineclipse
Willie Hall
Re: Official Nabil Bentaleb Thread
Are you being purposefully hyperbolic here?
I like the wonky and like Eriksen on the left of a 4-4-2, for now I think it's where he should play if we play with two strikers.
Are you being purposefully hyperbolic here?
I like the wonky and like Eriksen on the left of a 4-4-2, for now I think it's where he should play if we play with two strikers.
braineclipse
Willie Hall
Re: Official Nabil Bentaleb Thread
Sherwood on Bentaleb:
http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/spurs/news/sherwood-thrilled-with-bentaleb-form_129969.html
No "He's done well in the absence of X", a proper Redknapp double adjective praise from Sherwood.
I might be wrong, but I honestly think Sherwood sees Bentaleb as a potential starter even when more players return from injury as long as he keeps performing at this level.
Sherwood on Bentaleb:
http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/spurs/news/sherwood-thrilled-with-bentaleb-form_129969.html
No "He's done well in the absence of X", a proper Redknapp double adjective praise from Sherwood.
I might be wrong, but I honestly think Sherwood sees Bentaleb as a potential starter even when more players return from injury as long as he keeps performing at this level.
