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Mitt Romney the next new leader of the free world!!!

Obama didn't pander. He created a personality cult and momentum around it. It can be done. Ideas are bigger than dogma. People like winners.
 
Leeds Spur said:
Obama didn't pander. He created a personality cult and momentum around it. It can be done. Ideas are bigger than dogma. People like winners.
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Right, and he's really stayed genuine and true to what he promised. He also had zero record to speak of, so he could really say whatever the hell he wanted.
 
Leeds Spur said:
And rove was a man of his time. He hasn't won anything since 2004.

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I mean, the Republicans haven't won a presidential election since 2004, so I fail to see your point. Pretty sure people wouldn't have said Democratic pundits/strategists were ended simply because they didn't have anyone in the White house from 2000-2008. The Republicans made substantial gains in the house in 2010, and if they readjust their focus and the Democrats fail in the next two years, there is a very strong likelihood that they will be back in force.
 
Healthcare? Stimulus, supporting unions etc. Bill Crystal has just said that Obama won and that the Republicans will new to take one up the ass :)
 
Leeds Spur said:
Healthcare? Stimulus, supporting unions etc. Bill Crystal has just said that Obama won and that the Republicans will new to take one up the ass :)
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Obama had no record to speak of when he was a candidate in 2008. That's what I meant. You were discussing Romney as a candidate, and then referenced the cult of Obama.
 
NewYorkSpurs said:
I mean, the Republicans haven't won a presidential election since 2004, so I fail to see your point. Pretty sure people wouldn't have said Democratic pundits/strategists were ended simply because they didn't have anyone in the White house from 2000-2008. The Republicans made substantial gains in the house in 2010, and if they readjust their focus and the Democrats fail in the next two years, there is a very strong likelihood that they will be back in force.
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Dems just increased their lead in the senate? Repubs still have the house. Rove is a silly toad looking motherfudger. He's irrelevant. The Dems tinkled all over the Repubs in this election strategy wise. It was Obamas to lose.
 
It was a separate post. Im saying you can be your own person and look to change opinions rather than be a complete puppet of the party. It went against him
 
Leeds Spur said:
Dems just increased their lead in the senate? Repubs still have the house. Rove is a silly toad looking motherfudger. He's irrelevant. The Dems tinkled all over the Repubs in this election strategy wise. It was Obamas to lose.
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Your lack of knowledge about the American political system is shining through. You can't honestly think that the Democrats are made, can you? They have a very short leash. You can't honestly think a party with so much money and influence in it, the Republicans, aren't going to retool and be back for a fight in two years, can you? You're naive if you do. Last night was a win for Obama and the Democrats, and now the onus is on them to fix the country. We'll see how they do, but this isn't a one party country, despite what you think over there. There are lot of angry people after last night, and they'll be scheming for retribution.
 
I know plenty thanks. A bunch of rich white men in a room have no power if the masses refuse to be manipulated.

Latinos are a massive voting block. 70 percent plus go for Dems. Yet the white men in the room want to deport them. Blacks are 95 percent Dems!! People under 30, 60 percent. Women, 56 percent. The ship has sailed. Unless the Repubs get rid of the old white men. And they have the power so how can they?
 
And I seem to know more than you Brian. Leave the silly 'naive' comments out. Your man got his ass handed to him. Suck it up and pay those taxes! :)
 
Leeds Spur said:
Tell me how it isn't if Latinos, blacks, women and those under 44 don't vote for them? They need to change policies. Like the Tories did over here. Tell the religious nutters and racists and silly old ****s to fudge off.
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I agree with what you're saying, but in terms of changing policies the more apt comparison is Labour in the 70s and 80s turning in to New Labour. The population got sick of unions and socialism in the 70s and if Labour didn't change their policies under Blair then they would never get close to government. In reality they walked up to the Tories, took two steps left and called themselves New Labour. That's what the Republicans need to do on social policy.

Issues like gay marriage, gay adoption and abortion are stopping the Republicans from winning. They can stay to the right of the democrats if they want, but they need to get much, much closer.
 
Leeds Spur said:
I know plenty thanks. A bunch of rich white men in a room have no power if the masses refuse to be manipulated.

Latinos are a massive voting block. 70 percent plus go for Dems. Yet the white men in the room want to deport them. Blacks are 95 percent Dems!! People under 30, 60 percent. Women, 56 percent. The ship has sailed. Unless the Repubs get rid of the old white men. And they have the power so how can they?
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You're not reading my posts clearly at all. I agree with everything you're saying, and I'm telling you that the Republicans will have to rethink everything. And they will. You sound incredibly naive when you say that the Republicans are "ended" or that the "ship has sailed." The Democrats are going to win every election in perpetuity? Doubtful. There are a lot of smart people in the Republican party, many of whom have said exactly what you're saying on talk shows and in papers today. They know what they need to do.

The Democrats have a window now to fix things. We'll see what happens.
 
Leeds Spur said:
And I seem to know more than you Brian. Leave the silly 'naive' comments out. Your man got his ass handed to him. Suck it up and pay those taxes! :)
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Did you just go search me out on facebook? That's incredibly creepy.

Regardless, think all you want about how much you know. It's clear that you're perfectly capable of understanding policy and spitting out statistics. I have no doubt that you're an intelligent man, you seem to be very. Your grasp of how things actually work over here, however, is clearly lacking.
 
NewYorkSpurs said:
I truly hope that there will be a third party with some power in the near future. Bloomberg is the guy to do it, if he has the drive. Not saying he's the right candidate, but he has the funds, and he's an independent. Regardless, I think a more moderate Romney would have absolutely won this election. Obama didn't win this election because people still love him, he won because people thought he was the lesser of two evils. Sure, there are some idiots in this country that think Obama's done a great job, but I like to think (hope) that they are in the minority. No racial pun intended.

Romney was a victim of the system, and Leeds blames Romney for that, but I don't. The blame lies solely with the Republican party. Romney wanted to be the candidate, and the only way to be the candidate now is to pander. It's the way it is. You can criticize his character for it, but any politician with ambition (including Obama), would do what needed to be done.

That said, if Romney didn't have to go so far to the right to appease the evangelical Republican base to win the early primaries, he would have been able to stay more to the center. I saw polls that said that the majority of voters last night felt Romney was better equipped to handle the economic crisis than Obama. Yet, he still lost. And that's because you still have people voting on other issues, and frankly, the Republicans have gone too far right when it comes to social issues. They're going to have to reassess in a serious way, and I think, unless Obama and the Democrats work some magic by 2014, you're going to see the Republicans take more seats in the House/Senate, and win in 2016 with Christie or Rubio on the ticket (or both).
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I agree with everything you're saying tbh. Romney would have won this election on his own platform, but could never have won the Republican nomination on it. In the end he had to appease the Tea Party to get the nomination and couldn't go back.

This is why I love Ron Paul. The guy has conviction and is willing to stand by his views. Sadly he'll never be president because even if he somehow got the Republican nomination, people would be too scared of Libertarian ideas in action.
 
You're not making yourself clear at all. You're saying they are so clever they can 'strategize' their way to a win. They can't. Fundamental change of policies and attitudes need to happen.

I don't appreciate the patronising tone. Sorry if I bit back.
 
NewYorkSpurs said:
Did you just go search me out on facebook? That's incredibly creepy.

Regardless, think all you want about how much you know. It's clear that you're perfectly capable of understanding policy and spitting out statistics. I have no doubt that you're an intelligent man, you seem to be very. Your grasp of how things actually work over here, however, is clearly lacking.
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Hey asshole you contacted me to get your password reset on GG once!!? Remember :) ;)
 
Leeds Spur said:
You're not making yourself clear at all. You're saying they are so clever they can 'strategize' their way to a win. They can't. Fundamental change of policies and attitudes need to happen.

I don't appreciate the patronising tone. Sorry if I bit back.
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Everyone else commenting understood where I was coming from. You post in spurts with caps and in a mocking tone. Read them again.

And that's exactly what I'm saying. The Republicans can very easily strategize their way to a win, and in doing so will have to retool their platform. We agree.

The funny thing is that you and I likely agree on almost everything w/r/t economics/social issues.
 
NewYorkSpurs said:
You're not reading my posts clearly at all. I agree with everything you're saying, and I'm telling you that the Republicans will have to rethink everything. And they will. You sound incredibly naive when you say that the Republicans are "ended" or that the "ship has sailed." The Democrats are going to win every election in perpetuity? Doubtful. There are a lot of smart people in the Republican party, many of whom have said exactly what you're saying on talk shows and in papers today. They know what they need to do.

The Democrats have a window now to fix things. We'll see what happens.
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The strategists know. But the rank and file don't wanna hear it. Look at the tea party!!!
 
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