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Mathys Tel

I think thats also a very simplistic way of looking at it.

History in football is full of very good player and very talented young players who have played in poor sides. Some of the players our fan base covert played in the championship on poor sides when we wanted them. So its not as simple as saying "well they can;t be that good, their team finished 17th twice" thats the kind of arguments people were having at school.

One player makes a team not

Fair point. But I still stand by my view that there's a disconnect between how highly some people on this forum rate our players and how good they actually are. The reality is that if our players were even half as good as some people make them out to be, we'd be much higher up the league table. And the manager wouldn’t have come out and said that only 12 players were good enough if he was happy with the current state of the squad.
 
Fair point. But I still stand by my view that there's a disconnect between how highly some people on this forum rate our players and how good they actually are. The reality is that if our players were even half as good as some people make them out to be, we'd be much higher up the league table. And the manager wouldn’t have come out and said that only 12 players were good enough if he was happy with the current state of the squad.

Not sure I agree, I think those that rate certain players are also very honest about the quality of other players, I just think you likely don't agree with the players they rate which is clouding your view or making it into generic statements
 
Not sure I agree, I think those that rate certain players are also very honest about the quality of other players, I just think you likely don't agree with the players they rate which is clouding your view or making it into generic statements

Pretty sure I saw posters claiming we would be challenging for the top 4/6 next season, even before the transfer window opened. Almost like the last two seasons never happened.
 
Pretty sure I saw posters claiming we would be challenging for the top 4/6 next season, even before the transfer window opened. Almost like the last two seasons never happened.

You not think that was likely optimism in the manager and the manager being allowed to have a good window rather than people thinking the team we have is actually top 4 quality? Come on now pal
 
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