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Luka Vuskovic

Gutter Boy said:
I wonder if it might relate to our treatment of Tudor? Tudor is a national hero in Croatia and one of their greatest ever CBs
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Interesting point. Was our treatment of Tudor that shabby, though? He was given a fair bit of time given how shocking the results were, and then the club made it clear that the priority was compassion when he was bereaved. The club can hardly be blamed for the immediate improvement in results that followed Tudor being replaced.

I can’t see how you’d go about spinning his short-lived tenure as maltreatment, even if you were the most partisan Croat from a nation that does partisan extremely well. Not necessarily disagreeing, though, there are some very inventive football journalists out there.
 
Gutter Boy said:
I wonder if it might relate to our treatment of Tudor? Tudor is a national hero in Croatia and one of their greatest ever CBs
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Honestly, I don't believe that for a second. If you're looking for an explanation, German football has a good rep in Croatia and HSV has a lot of similarities with Spurs. There's a good chance he and/or his agent believes if he was worthy of a first team spot there, he deserves one here too. From his point of view, we finished 17th twice in a row so if there ever was a time to push for regular first team football at Spurs, it's now.

I believe the whole promise story is just flimflam. He wants to start games. If he moves to Brighton and then moves again to another club in two years' time, the agent will cash in a big check twice.
 
billyiddo said:
That's an interesting perspective that I hadn't considered, assuming correct - seems low for VDV given his age
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They both played 4 senior seasons. van de Ven was 22, Vuskovic is 19.

The difference is that Vuskovic was such a physical beast that he came through at 15, as opposed to van de Ven's 18
 
NaijaSpurs said:
The problem with us is that our talented youngsters too often end up in loan cycles or on the edge of the squad without really kicking on into proper first-team roles.

Barcelona don’t just produce talent, they trust it. We need to build a pathway where whether a player is homegrown or signed at 16-18, they’re developed into first-team footballers, not loan projects.

And most importantly our youngsters have to believe there is a route for them.
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It is a great point and I think La Liga makes that a little easier. The Premier League is exceptionally unforgiving -especially these days. The same people going on and on about how great they think Vuskovic is are possibly the same people who will jump on him if he makes a mistake or two. Sadly, as a club, we are not in a position to experiment with nurture in such key areas and so few games next season. We need to finish in a European position at least, and that will require a touch of the 'instant'. Vuskovic's speed and speed on the turn is a question mark in this league, I personally think we need to test this with a loan to a Prem club, and we need to give the manager Van Hecke if that is who he believes in.
 
Gutter Boy said:
I still don't get this logic

We'd loan one of our best players, to a better team than us, because we are ashamed of where we've fallen to?
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Well that wouldn't be logical.
What would be logical would be to see how a 19 year old talent deals with the Premier League in terms of the two areas of his game which are not very strong, critical areas in this division, and make sure you retain full control of the contract. I expect De Zerbi to get us back into Europe this coming season, at which point we will need 5 CBs for sure.
 
MartyFunkhouser said:
Absolutely, but there has to be a plan for youth integration otherwise it makes a mockery of the time and money we are investing in youth and scouting
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And I sincerely hope there is one being developed. We have lost/mismanaged the likes of Scarlett, Devine, Donely, Philips, the list goes on.
It is vital we get it right with Williams-Barnett, Vuskovic, Lankshear, etc. I think @glasgowspur hit the tickle my balls with a feather a little earlier.
 
glasgowspur said:
He needs to understand that we under going to be under huge scrutiny next season, now is not the time for experiments.
It's not good for us or him.
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He'd be competing with Danso, who we know is solid, with two experienced options on the other side (vdV and Sensei). That's the perfect setup for him to seize as many minutes as he's ready for, with minimal risk for us
 
Gutter Boy said:
He'd be competing with Danso, who we know is solid, with two experienced options on the other side (vdV and Sensei). That's the perfect setup for him to seize as many minutes as he's ready for, with minimal risk for us
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Would you rather he come in and compete for minutes with us in a season of low games and high expectation, or would you rather he gets a loan in the Prem where he's going to get regular football? Of course the caveat is we cannot dictate the regular football bit to a club taking him on loan, but you'd expect him to play more at Brighton? He needs to play regularly for sure.
 
thfcsteff said:
Would you rather he come in and compete for minutes with us in a season of low games and high expectation, or would you rather he gets a loan in the Prem where he's going to get regular football? Of course the caveat is we cannot dictate the regular football bit to a club taking him on loan, but you'd expect him to play more at Brighton? He needs to play regularly for sure.
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For me
I’d go with the former if Van Heck is the money being talked about, he isn’t strong enough defensively for that fee
Also senesi can play both sides and we need a plan for Byfield too
 
thfcsteff said:
Would you rather he come in and compete for minutes with us in a season of low games and high expectation, or would you rather he gets a loan in the Prem where he's going to get regular football? Of course the caveat is we cannot dictate the regular football bit to a club taking him on loan, but you'd expect him to play more at Brighton? He needs to play regularly for sure.
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We cannot dictate how much regular football he will get while on loan but we can encourage it by offering to play a high percentage or maybe all of his wages each week he starts a match or plays a certain number of minutes. It would be a version of pay to play.
 
Gutter Boy said:
They both played 4 senior seasons. van de Ven was 22, Vuskovic is 19.

The difference is that Vuskovic was such a physical beast that he came through at 15, as opposed to van de Ven's 18
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Also VDV signed for a team in the CL IIRC not a team fighting relegation (in Germany)
 
NaijaSpurs said:
We cannot dictate how much regular football he will get while on loan but we can encourage it by offering to play a high percentage or maybe all of his wages each week he starts a match or plays a certain number of minutes. It would be a version of pay to play.
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That's a really interesting idea! Never heard it before but I like it!!!
 
thfcsteff said:
Would you rather he come in and compete for minutes with us in a season of low games and high expectation, or would you rather he gets a loan in the Prem where he's going to get regular football? Of course the caveat is we cannot dictate the regular football bit to a club taking him on loan, but you'd expect him to play more at Brighton? He needs to play regularly for sure.
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Brighton are a much better side than us. We're literally the worst team in the league, possibly bar the newly promoted ones. Why is he going to get more regular football at much better teams than us - I don't understand that logic?
 
NaijaSpurs said:
We cannot dictate how much regular football he will get while on loan but we can encourage it by offering to play a high percentage or maybe all of his wages each week he starts a match or plays a certain number of minutes. It would be a version of pay to play.
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That's getting a bit murky with the rules, as it potentially incentivises clubs to play weakened sides for financial rewards
 
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