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Jason Arday
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Tim Sherwood
For those interested in learning more about Nathan Cofnas (incredibly, I don't seem to remember anyone in the media headlining this chap at the time)...
'Two-tier reporting'
https://www.varsity.co.uk/comment/30487
Was a major story at the time.
thfcsteff
Fanny Walden
In looking back I see it was a story. Did not sustain and was nowhere near the levels of coverage Arday's story received.
Did you know this was the same man who first made sure to bring Arday into the public/media eye?
Muttley
Justin Edinburgh
I think you have to ask yourself a couple of questions here. The first is whether you lead your life assuming positive intent from the people you interact with. @robp135 brought a topic that was in the public eye to a football forum that is very comfortable discussing any political subject home or abroad and stays up with current affairs. Fans have a choice to stick to the football threads or get involved. I generally stick to the football thread.
I'd also encourage people to go back and look at the first post on this thread. It was just a post of a story and a question from Rob what others thought to this. We now have the ridiculous situation where we're even implying that one of our most regular and best posters is a racist. I think people should be very careful on that implication to Rob as it is unfair.
As a former mod of a football forum, all I can ask everyone to do is to assume best intent on what people are posting and make sure you play the ball and not the man. We have some very senior posters playing the man here.
My first impressions of this topic was that @robp135 was just helping a football forum to create daily traffic in the football close season i.e. the 1st week of August. I assumed best intent, but chose not to post until the tragic event happened.
So let's do this. Makes so much sense.
I'd also encourage people to go back and look at the first post on this thread. It was just a post of a story and a question from Rob what others thought to this. We now have the ridiculous situation where we're even implying that one of our most regular and best posters is a racist. I think people should be very careful on that implication to Rob as it is unfair.
As a former mod of a football forum, all I can ask everyone to do is to assume best intent on what people are posting and make sure you play the ball and not the man. We have some very senior posters playing the man here.
My first impressions of this topic was that @robp135 was just helping a football forum to create daily traffic in the football close season i.e. the 1st week of August. I assumed best intent, but chose not to post until the tragic event happened.
So let's do this. Makes so much sense.
MartyFunkhouser
Tony Galvin
I think most played the topic not the man and engaged the original post. The post death double down seemed over zealous, I don't think highlighting that is outrageous.
I agree to shut the thread.
Peace
thfcsteff
Fanny Walden
I wanted to offer the list below as a final thought for this thread.
I also want to say that hopefully, the conversations which opened up around it have served purpose; wherever they went, whatever tangents people took. I also thought about the sentiment that due to Jason Arday's death, we should respectfully say no more. I agree in one sense and not in another. If nothing else, perhaps it's about seeing the bigger picture of the whole thing, because it's about a lot more than right and wrong, it's about the strength of focus and how unequal that tends to be in so many walks of life, and how the pushnack against that has led to a subsequent 'push back push back' (if you know what I mean). Again, I still believe there was/is great value in the discussion (and further discussions which will occur). I am certainly going to learn what I can from both it and the situations it revealed.
That list I mentioned follows. It is a list naming a few people in the world of academia who falsified information to achieve their positions. I found it sobering that I did not recall having heard of most of them, and certainly do not recall a media storm being focussed on any single individual below...here's to some positive long-term changes resulting from this entire situation and subsequent tragedy.
Doris Kearns Goodwin — Plagiarism/improper attribution. Career survived. Still a celebrated bestselling historian, filmmaker, and public intellectual.
Edmund Morris — Inserted fictional characters and invented scenes into his authorized biography of Ronald Reagan. Controversy notwithstanding, continued publishing and remained a prominent biographer until his death in 2019.
Joseph Ellis — Lied about serving in Vietnam. Suspended for a year, returned to teaching, continued publishing bestselling history.
Laurence Tribe — Acknowledged improper attribution in a book. Career survived; Harvard’s Carl M. Loeb University Professor Emeritus. (Harvard Law School)
Stephen Ambrose — Plagiarism/improper attribution across multiple books; later evidence challenged claims about Eisenhower interviews. Continued writing and remained a bestselling historian until his death in 2002.
Mike Barnicle — Resigned from the Boston Globe amid fabrication/plagiarism controversies. Rebuilt his career. Longtime television commentator and MSNBC contributor.
Mitch Albom — Published a column falsely describing athletes attending an event they didn’t attend. Suspended briefly; remains a bestselling author, columnist and radio host.
Jonah Lehrer — Plagiarism/self-plagiarism and fabricated quotations. Lost major jobs and had books recalled, but returned to publishing books.
Stephen Glass — Fabricated sources, quotations, people and entire stories. Journalism career ended; later earned a law degree and built a career as a paralegal.
Michael Bellesiles — Serious research-integrity problems in Arming America. Lost the Bancroft Prize and resigned from Emory. Later returned to teaching and publishing.
Marc Hauser — Found responsible for multiple counts of scientific misconduct at Harvard. Left Harvard but subsequently wrote books and pursued work outside traditional academia.
Brian Wansink — Cornell found academic misconduct involving data, statistical methods and authorship. Resigned from Cornell; continued professional work outside his former academic position.
Brian Williams — Falsely embellished accounts of his reporting experiences, including the Iraq helicopter story. Lost the NBC anchor chair but returned to national television at MSNBC.
Ruth Shalit Barrett — Plagiarism and accuracy controversies during her journalism career. Continued writing after the original scandal, though later faced another major journalism controversy.
Marc Tessier-Lavigne — Stanford president whose laboratory papers contained serious errors and whose handling of corrections was criticized. Resigned the presidency but remains a Stanford professor and laboratory head.
I also want to say that hopefully, the conversations which opened up around it have served purpose; wherever they went, whatever tangents people took. I also thought about the sentiment that due to Jason Arday's death, we should respectfully say no more. I agree in one sense and not in another. If nothing else, perhaps it's about seeing the bigger picture of the whole thing, because it's about a lot more than right and wrong, it's about the strength of focus and how unequal that tends to be in so many walks of life, and how the pushnack against that has led to a subsequent 'push back push back' (if you know what I mean). Again, I still believe there was/is great value in the discussion (and further discussions which will occur). I am certainly going to learn what I can from both it and the situations it revealed.
That list I mentioned follows. It is a list naming a few people in the world of academia who falsified information to achieve their positions. I found it sobering that I did not recall having heard of most of them, and certainly do not recall a media storm being focussed on any single individual below...here's to some positive long-term changes resulting from this entire situation and subsequent tragedy.
Doris Kearns Goodwin — Plagiarism/improper attribution. Career survived. Still a celebrated bestselling historian, filmmaker, and public intellectual.
Edmund Morris — Inserted fictional characters and invented scenes into his authorized biography of Ronald Reagan. Controversy notwithstanding, continued publishing and remained a prominent biographer until his death in 2019.
Joseph Ellis — Lied about serving in Vietnam. Suspended for a year, returned to teaching, continued publishing bestselling history.
Laurence Tribe — Acknowledged improper attribution in a book. Career survived; Harvard’s Carl M. Loeb University Professor Emeritus. (Harvard Law School)
Stephen Ambrose — Plagiarism/improper attribution across multiple books; later evidence challenged claims about Eisenhower interviews. Continued writing and remained a bestselling historian until his death in 2002.
Mike Barnicle — Resigned from the Boston Globe amid fabrication/plagiarism controversies. Rebuilt his career. Longtime television commentator and MSNBC contributor.
Mitch Albom — Published a column falsely describing athletes attending an event they didn’t attend. Suspended briefly; remains a bestselling author, columnist and radio host.
Jonah Lehrer — Plagiarism/self-plagiarism and fabricated quotations. Lost major jobs and had books recalled, but returned to publishing books.
Stephen Glass — Fabricated sources, quotations, people and entire stories. Journalism career ended; later earned a law degree and built a career as a paralegal.
Michael Bellesiles — Serious research-integrity problems in Arming America. Lost the Bancroft Prize and resigned from Emory. Later returned to teaching and publishing.
Marc Hauser — Found responsible for multiple counts of scientific misconduct at Harvard. Left Harvard but subsequently wrote books and pursued work outside traditional academia.
Brian Wansink — Cornell found academic misconduct involving data, statistical methods and authorship. Resigned from Cornell; continued professional work outside his former academic position.
Brian Williams — Falsely embellished accounts of his reporting experiences, including the Iraq helicopter story. Lost the NBC anchor chair but returned to national television at MSNBC.
Ruth Shalit Barrett — Plagiarism and accuracy controversies during her journalism career. Continued writing after the original scandal, though later faced another major journalism controversy.
Marc Tessier-Lavigne — Stanford president whose laboratory papers contained serious errors and whose handling of corrections was criticized. Resigned the presidency but remains a Stanford professor and laboratory head.
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