Jurgen the German
Tommy Harmer
Looked like a nasty injury. If the doctors and neurologists clear him to play against Ajax then great. If he's even 99% fit then he shouldn't play. His life is more important than football.
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Jan Vertonghen
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Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
That's nose and maybe a bit of cheek
monkeybarry
Ian Walker
I'm not sure if you've looked at a head recently.....but that's where the nose and all of the cheek are....
Baleforce
Ron Henry
There is no reason we can’t do the same, just stop the game for 15/20 mins whilst the injured player is assessed. Put a message up on the screen and open the bars, treat it like a rain delay in cricket.
Rorschach
Sonny Walters
It certainly had no effect on your cognitive abilities.
(just kidding...you go girl)
Spur of the moment
Frederic Kanoute
Have you thought that one through though? What about when you're losing a critical match? The moment there's even the slightest hint of heads clashing what do you think would happen? Manager needs to break up play, frustrate the opposition, annoy their fans, get the players a rest, re-motivate them, change strategy, give instructions etc.
Baleforce
Ron Henry
what's wrong with that?
Spur of the moment
Frederic Kanoute
Are you serious?
Baleforce
Ron Henry
managers will always do everything they can to influence the game, thats their job
I'm suggesting a system to improve protection of players who have suffered head injuries and take away the macho expectation of just getting on with it, I'm sure there are good arguments for doing things a different way but football managers having one more opportunity (on top of 100 others in a game) to behave like football managers isn't really an issue imo
Spur of the moment
Frederic Kanoute
I get we have to do everything possible to protect players, I just don't see the need to suspend play for 15-20 minutes when the simple answer is to allow a temporary sub.
Anyone at WHL the last couple of games will know the frustration caused by West Ham and Ajax's delaying tactics every time the keeper took a goal kick so I dread to think how they'd react when convinced a player was feigning a head injury in order to break up play for 15 minutes.
Especially from fans liable to miss the last train/bus/whatever as a result
Baleforce
Ron Henry
rolling subs in cases of head injury is no less open to abuse
any attacking third set piece would be met with all of the short players collapsing to the ground holding their heads
monkeybarry
Ian Walker
Referee discretion with VAR to back it up.
If VAR shows a clear faking whilst treatment is happening (independent Dr to be there) - automatic sending off.
NoLimits01
Goran Bunjevcevic
Might as well go the whole hog and have special teams for set pieces
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
"We followed the protocol. You can see on TV all that happened.
"Our doctor and medical staff behaved very well, they were excellent, followed the protocol. I respect because I think I’m professional about football, not medicine.
"All decisions about health are for medical staff. The assessments on concussion were negative, that’s why the player was allowed to play.
"A few seconds after that was a completely different thing, he start to feel no good. After that we changed in that moment, and he was out of the pitch."
Yes, [on the night] he was conscious," Poch added.
""You can watch when he changed his shorts, in the tunnel, because he was a little bit worried about not changing his shorts in front of everyone.
"And that behaviour made clear he was conscious in every single moment.
"That’s why when the doctor followed the protocol they allowed him to go on the pitch."
"I don’t have the capacity to take some decisions. For me, at every single of my clubs, the doctor are independent, all the decisions they make are protecting always the health of the players. That’s my rule," Poch said.
"At Saints, in my first season, when the situation with Hugo Lloris and Lukaku in Everton in 2013, we used this clip to talk with the players and all the staff – and gave all the power to the medical staff to take the decision.
"I’m not a person who is going to take a decision in front of the doctor or medical staff. We used it as an example.
"I explained to the players they can say whatever they want on the pitch but the bosses are the medical staff. Not my coaches and myself are going to say nothing against the decision of the medical staff.
"My rule from the first day here and my rule is my priority is not the game or the result or anything that is related with the football, the priority is always the person."
"For me, if the doctor said to me that he has some doubts, I’m more than happy to change the player. I’m not going to put in risk any player. That’s a debate about the doctor to find the best solution," the Spurs boss explained.
"For me, it’s so easy. If the doctor has minimal doubts, I’m more than happy to support the doctor. I’ll always support my medical staff.
"You can ask the referees. They were in Spanish, talking about the situation. The referee for me was fantastic. I want to praise him for his amazing behaviour. His priority was the health of the player.
"He said to me ‘Mauricio, are you sure he’s in a condition to play?’ I said, ‘Ask the doctor, not me’. ‘Doctor is he in a condition to play?’ ‘Yes’, ‘ok, go in’. That’s the most important thing. Of course we can talk - I’m open to debate but I want to help the player avoid risk."
"Our doctor and medical staff behaved very well, they were excellent, followed the protocol. I respect because I think I’m professional about football, not medicine.
"All decisions about health are for medical staff. The assessments on concussion were negative, that’s why the player was allowed to play.
"A few seconds after that was a completely different thing, he start to feel no good. After that we changed in that moment, and he was out of the pitch."
Yes, [on the night] he was conscious," Poch added.
""You can watch when he changed his shorts, in the tunnel, because he was a little bit worried about not changing his shorts in front of everyone.
"And that behaviour made clear he was conscious in every single moment.
"That’s why when the doctor followed the protocol they allowed him to go on the pitch."
"I don’t have the capacity to take some decisions. For me, at every single of my clubs, the doctor are independent, all the decisions they make are protecting always the health of the players. That’s my rule," Poch said.
"At Saints, in my first season, when the situation with Hugo Lloris and Lukaku in Everton in 2013, we used this clip to talk with the players and all the staff – and gave all the power to the medical staff to take the decision.
"I’m not a person who is going to take a decision in front of the doctor or medical staff. We used it as an example.
"I explained to the players they can say whatever they want on the pitch but the bosses are the medical staff. Not my coaches and myself are going to say nothing against the decision of the medical staff.
"My rule from the first day here and my rule is my priority is not the game or the result or anything that is related with the football, the priority is always the person."
"For me, if the doctor said to me that he has some doubts, I’m more than happy to change the player. I’m not going to put in risk any player. That’s a debate about the doctor to find the best solution," the Spurs boss explained.
"For me, it’s so easy. If the doctor has minimal doubts, I’m more than happy to support the doctor. I’ll always support my medical staff.
"You can ask the referees. They were in Spanish, talking about the situation. The referee for me was fantastic. I want to praise him for his amazing behaviour. His priority was the health of the player.
"He said to me ‘Mauricio, are you sure he’s in a condition to play?’ I said, ‘Ask the doctor, not me’. ‘Doctor is he in a condition to play?’ ‘Yes’, ‘ok, go in’. That’s the most important thing. Of course we can talk - I’m open to debate but I want to help the player avoid risk."
parklane1
Vic Buckingham
Who knows if he is but this guy likes the NFL, you know the 60 minute game that takes 3 hours to finish. So i would imagine he is.
Who knows if he is but this guy likes the NFL, you know the 60 minute game that takes 3 hours to finish. So i would imagine he is.
Ironically....there's no time wasting.
parklane1
Vic Buckingham
The TV, and ads folks love it though.
Glenda's Legs
Les Ferdinand
Update on the OS :
Following a thorough review over the past 48 hours by our medical staff as well as by an independent neurologist with special interest in sport-related concussion today, it has been concluded that Jan Vertonghen did not suffer a concussion during Tuesday’s Champions League semi-final first leg against Ajax.
The Belgium defender suffered an injury to his nose due to a challenge during the game which resulted in heavy bleeding. He was deemed fit to continue playing after an on-field assessment. All Football Association concussion guidelines were followed.
Jan was immediately withdrawn as a result of the player informing medical staff that symptoms were developing suddenly and that he no longer felt stable standing up. We have been advised that this was the result of a presyncopal episode, a near faint.
The specialist has recommended that the player undertakes a brief period of rehabilitation before returning to training.
Following a thorough review over the past 48 hours by our medical staff as well as by an independent neurologist with special interest in sport-related concussion today, it has been concluded that Jan Vertonghen did not suffer a concussion during Tuesday’s Champions League semi-final first leg against Ajax.
The Belgium defender suffered an injury to his nose due to a challenge during the game which resulted in heavy bleeding. He was deemed fit to continue playing after an on-field assessment. All Football Association concussion guidelines were followed.
Jan was immediately withdrawn as a result of the player informing medical staff that symptoms were developing suddenly and that he no longer felt stable standing up. We have been advised that this was the result of a presyncopal episode, a near faint.
The specialist has recommended that the player undertakes a brief period of rehabilitation before returning to training.
JerusalemMan
Johnny Morrison
So no concussion. Who'd have thought that trained medical professionals at the scene may have known a bit more than pundits watching from studios or the Twitter outrage mob looking at their TV screens?