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Lost Mango said:
BS.

Lots of people don't give a crap about the religious aspects of Israel's behaviour. Easy deflection.
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Israel and Jews represent neo conservatism. Which is the opposite of the far lefts socialist ideals.

I'm not deflecting anything. The far lefts hypocrisy speaks for itself.

Also the argument that Britain had a hand in the formation of Israel that's why we protest. The Brits also had a hand in the formation of Saudi, Yemen and Sudan was under British rule.
 
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Lilbaz said:
WE sell to the saudis and UAE but don't protest what happens in Yemen or Sudan. We import from China but don't protest about the Uyghurs.

Lets face it. The left see Jews as the big bad that control the world so will protest against Israel.

It is anti semitism.

She says it...
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Ermmm we do protest Israel. Never Jewish people. Eff off with that accusation.
 
Lilbaz said:
Israel and Jews represent neo conservatism. Which is the opposite of the far lefts socialist ideals.

I'm not deflecting anything. The far lefts hypocrisy speaks for itself.

Also the argument that Britain had a hand in the formation of Israel that's why we protest. The Brits also had a hand in the formation of Saudi, Yemen and Sudan was under British rule.
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Israel represents neo-conservatism. The jewishness of them has nothing to do with that political position. That is the deflection.

Netanyahu isn't an absolute dingdong because he is Jewish, he is a massive dingdong because he is a genocidal maniac intent on illegally expanding territory into neighbouring countries and has maintained illegal occupations and an apartheid like state over those illegally occupied territories. The continuous conflation of anti-Israel and antisemitism is deliberate smoke and mirrors. that does the effort against genuine antisemitism no favours at all.

In terms of formation of countries there is a massive difference in yielding or supporting independence of a country to the indigenous population (be it even for dodgy Great Game reasons such as undermining the Ottoman Empire) and the formation of an entirely new entity mainly comprised of immigrants forced upon an indigenous population.
 
Lost Mango said:
Israel represents neo-conservatism. The jewishness of them has nothing to do with that political position. That is the deflection.

Netanyahu isn't an absolute dingdong because he is Jewish, he is a massive dingdong because he is a genocidal maniac intent on illegally expanding territory into neighbouring countries and has maintained illegal occupations and an apartheid like state over those illegally occupied territories. The continuous conflation of anti-Israel and antisemitism is deliberate smoke and mirrors. that does the effort against genuine antisemitism no favours at all.

In terms of formation of countries there is a massive difference in yielding or supporting independence of a country to the indigenous population (be it even for dodgy Great Game reasons such as undermining the Ottoman Empire) and the formation of an entirely new entity mainly comprised of immigrants forced upon an indigenous population.
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Why does Israel represent neo conservatism?
 
Lilbaz said:
Why does Israel represent neo conservatism?
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You said "Israel and Jews represent neo conservatism.".

I was saying that it is the political entity of Israel and its chosen social and economic model that represents neo conservatism, nothing to do with being Jewish.
 
Lilbaz said:
Because Israel and anti semitism are linked. They feed into each other.
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That's an incredibly basic view of it. Israel are a theocratic nation state which has occupied, genocided and ethnically cleaned indigenous Palestinians for nearly 80 years with full support and approval from the west.

Protesting Israel's crimes is not antisemitic by any definition. Not the IHRA one. Or any other.
 
Lilbaz said:
Face it the far left don't give a crap about loss of life. It's only when it comes to Israel do they protest.
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So all the millions of protestors do not care about the dead babies in Palestine. They are just angry it's Israel doing it? What a ridiculously made up load of conjecture based on notning.
 
LutonSpurs said:
So all the millions of protestors do not care about the dead babies in Palestine. They are just angry it's Israel doing it? What a ridiculously made up load of conjecture based on notning.
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How many dead in Sudan, Yemen, Iran, the Ughyrs in China, the school girls in nigeria etc... where are all those millions of people now?
I'm sure they'll read about it and say aw that's sad. Then get on with their lives. No righteous anger that is shown towards Israel. No millions protesting around the world.

Has been the way for decades.
 
Lilbaz said:
How many dead in Sudan, Yemen, Iran, the Ughyrs in China, the school girls in nigeria etc... where are all those millions of people now?
I'm sure they'll read about it and say aw that's sad. Then get on with their lives. No righteous anger that is shown towards Israel. No millions protesting around the world.

Has been the way for decades.
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Dude. We are directly supporting Israel and have for years. Decades. The reason Israel is hated so much is they practice apartheid, genocide and ethnic cleansing with little to no accountability. We are still supplying weapons that kill those babies. Now I have Palestinian friends who have lost direct family in this conflict. That makes it very real for me. I protest it because Palestinian lives are seen as less than nothing by western governments. I go on protests with Jewish people. You are implying I'm an anti semite for this and I find it highly offensive.
 
LutonSpurs said:
Dude. We are directly supporting Israel and have for years. Decades. The reason Israel is hated so much is they practice apartheid, genocide and ethnic cleansing with little to no accountability. We are still supplying weapons that kill those babies. Now I have Palestinian friends who have lost direct family in this conflict. That makes it very real for me. I protest it because Palestinian lives are seen as less than nothing by western governments. I go on protests with Jewish people. You are implying I'm an anti semite for this and I find it highly offensive.
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We supply UAE and Saudi as i've said. Both involved in Yemen and Sudan.

I've said the far left. If you identify yourself as such i don't really care if you're offended. As i'm sure you wouldn't care if you offended someone who identified themselves as far right.
 
Lilbaz said:
We supply UAE and Saudi as i've said. Both involved in Yemen and Sudan.

I've said the far left. If you identify yourself as such i don't really care if you're offended. As i'm sure you wouldn't care if you offended someone who identified themselves as far right.
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So it's not the people protesting it's just the far left who are there? And how many of the far left support Saudi and UAE? Zero. The far left trotsky types have a horrible and vile soft spot for Russia, Iran and China. I have been to more protests against their actions in Syria with Assad than Palestine ones and yes I'm a Marxist. Which is as far left as you get.
 
Lilbaz said:
We supply UAE and Saudi as i've said. Both involved in Yemen and Sudan.

I've said the far left. If you identify yourself as such i don't really care if you're offended. As i'm sure you wouldn't care if you offended someone who identified themselves as far right.
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You are calling me and anti semite if I'm far left. That's not a factual statement. It's wrong.
 
Lilbaz said:
Ok.
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Manchester synagogue attack - Wikipedia

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"British Jews have raised concerns about increased vandalism at synagogues and antisemitic comments online and in person, latterly due to the Gaza war"
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Manchester synagogue attack carried out by an radical Islamist so no link to the far left, but OK, you do you.

At no point has anyone denied a rise in antisemitism (from both far right and far left), much of it linked to the Gaza war. But the conflation of criticism of Israel with antisemitism BEFORE October 7th as a deliberate protective action by Israeli politicians has created a cover for antisemites and radicals to increase their attacks post October 7th.

The British arms industry (and government) are massively complicit in who they sell arms to and the blind eye they turn on the legal technicalities of not selling arms that are being used in breach of international law on humanitarian conditions. The public though are basically ignorant of the histories of these conflicts, whereas the Palestine-Israel conflict is much better known. I have no real idea whether the SAF or the RSF are the good guys or the bad guys in Sudan. As far as I can tell they are both bad guys. So who do we protest against and to who? the war in general? The Saudis for their despicable role in the region? The British Government for their role in this? BAE and the UK arms manufacturers?

Yemen the same - the PLC or the SPC? or is it the SRC? Are the Houthis really as bad as the USA and Israelis say they are (in a regional context) or is that geopolitical grandstanding to serve their and Saudi regional interests against Iran? So again, who do you protest against and where?

Palestine is much more binary. Hamas are horrendous but so are the actions of the Israeli government since before Hamas was created. The self-determination issue is clearer as well. The illegality of the occupation (UN resolutions, International criminal Court rulings), the basic idea of sovereignty that Israel ignores to bomb the Lebanon, Iran, Qatar, Syria etc allows more people to have an opinion (justified or not) that they just don't have for the other issues you compare it to.

None of this makes protesters antisemitic or even the deliberate catch-all slur of 'far left'.

Be fascinated (genuinely) to know what your opinions are on the rights and wrongs of Yemen and Sudan as I have read up and followed this all the way through and I genuinely don't have an opinion on what a fair and just outcome to either of those conflicts are. I do for Palestine though.
 
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