Superhudd
Simon Davies
Re: O/T Financial Fair Play
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Financial Fair Play
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Rorschach
Sonny Walters
Re: O/T Financial Fair Play
The FFP does stop new sugar daddy but does little else to level the playing field. What would be a better solution?
What about setting a limit on the money spent on players and their wages, and that must exclude money garnered from these commercials arrangements (fake or real). So a club can only spend say it's gate receipts, tv money and prize money on new players and wages. That way the clubs revenue is more or less determined by it's fanbase size, and would also be rewarded for any success. Yes the big clubs have an advantage (as they are bigger already) but the football landscape would not be so skewed by commercials deals and sugar daddy money as to render competition almost irrelevant. Any other money the club makes can be spent on infrastructure etc.
The FFP does stop new sugar daddy but does little else to level the playing field. What would be a better solution?
What about setting a limit on the money spent on players and their wages, and that must exclude money garnered from these commercials arrangements (fake or real). So a club can only spend say it's gate receipts, tv money and prize money on new players and wages. That way the clubs revenue is more or less determined by it's fanbase size, and would also be rewarded for any success. Yes the big clubs have an advantage (as they are bigger already) but the football landscape would not be so skewed by commercials deals and sugar daddy money as to render competition almost irrelevant. Any other money the club makes can be spent on infrastructure etc.
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It stops rich investors becoming owners, but it won't stop teams spending beyond their means, simply because of these massive sponsorship deals. I don't think it will be long until we see England's first 'Bayer Leverkusen' or 'Red Bull Salzburg'.
It stops rich investors becoming owners, but it won't stop teams spending beyond their means, simply because of these massive sponsorship deals. I don't think it will be long until we see England's first 'Bayer Leverkusen' or 'Red Bull Salzburg'.
THFC6061
Paul Robinson
Re: O/T Financial Fair Play
Coventry City tried this back in the early 80s when they called themselves Coventry Talbot.
The Football League scuppered their plans though, although they let them keep their kit, which was a giant advertisement.
Coventry City tried this back in the early 80s when they called themselves Coventry Talbot.
The Football League scuppered their plans though, although they let them keep their kit, which was a giant advertisement.
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30 years ago is a long time. It's a different game now in many regards. Football is massive now. It's a financial goldmine, people will do anything to get a piece of it, including our own FA.
They're bankrolled by the pharmaceutical company Bayer. There is no better way of advertising in football than changing the team's name! Leverkusen and Salzburg are very much detested in Germany, but that won't stop it happening in England.
30 years ago is a long time. It's a different game now in many regards. Football is massive now. It's a financial goldmine, people will do anything to get a piece of it, including our own FA.
They're bankrolled by the pharmaceutical company Bayer. There is no better way of advertising in football than changing the team's name! Leverkusen and Salzburg are very much detested in Germany, but that won't stop it happening in England.
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This is part of the problem. It's ridiclous that someone like David Dein can hold simultaneous positions at a PL club and the FA.
This is part of the problem. It's ridiclous that someone like David Dein can hold simultaneous positions at a PL club and the FA.
DubaiSpur
Ian Walker
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Eh. Football is slowly waking up to its problems. That a team could spend a billion pounds of some human-rights-abusing dictator's money and storm to the title was a serious one, and that's now being dealt with. The next step will be a revenue-sharing arrangement, which will happen in time. The PL isn't stupid, and the execs running it (via their TV and commercial deals) know that the only reason it's ranked higher than the Bundesliga, La Liga et al (with their superior technical players and stadium atmospheres) is because it's competitive and relatively unpredictable. If that changes, viewing figures will start decreasing, and the TV men will start losing money. When that happens, they will pressure the PL to act.
Eh. Football is slowly waking up to its problems. That a team could spend a billion pounds of some human-rights-abusing dictator's money and storm to the title was a serious one, and that's now being dealt with. The next step will be a revenue-sharing arrangement, which will happen in time. The PL isn't stupid, and the execs running it (via their TV and commercial deals) know that the only reason it's ranked higher than the Bundesliga, La Liga et al (with their superior technical players and stadium atmospheres) is because it's competitive and relatively unpredictable. If that changes, viewing figures will start decreasing, and the TV men will start losing money. When that happens, they will pressure the PL to act.
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That's correct Bayer Leverkusen are the architypal "works" team gone professional, they started of as a team made up of factory workers and eventually turned pro over the years, Wolfsburg are the same being the VW factory team. You can add Sochaux in france as another in the list of "works" teams.
There's absolutely no bankrolling involved at all as these clubs are run as separate entities to their factory roots, unlike the Red Bull teams that are purely RedBull owned and bankrolled.
That's correct Bayer Leverkusen are the architypal "works" team gone professional, they started of as a team made up of factory workers and eventually turned pro over the years, Wolfsburg are the same being the VW factory team. You can add Sochaux in france as another in the list of "works" teams.
There's absolutely no bankrolling involved at all as these clubs are run as separate entities to their factory roots, unlike the Red Bull teams that are purely RedBull owned and bankrolled.
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I wish that were so.
But it won't happen, I'm afraid. At least, not to any meaningful extent.
I wish that were so.
But it won't happen, I'm afraid. At least, not to any meaningful extent.
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indianspur
Guest
Re: O/T Financial Fair Play
really??
in the last 15-20 years its mainly been Man U, Chelsea and Arse that have won all the major domestic prizes
in the 20 years of the premier league, the 3 above have won the league title 18 (EIGHTEEN) times between them
16 of the last 20 Fa cup finals have been won by the trio above
fcuking boring!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
really??
in the last 15-20 years its mainly been Man U, Chelsea and Arse that have won all the major domestic prizes
in the 20 years of the premier league, the 3 above have won the league title 18 (EIGHTEEN) times between them
16 of the last 20 Fa cup finals have been won by the trio above
fcuking boring!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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indianspur
Guest
Re: O/T Financial Fair Play
between 1960 and 1980, there were 10 different winners of the League championship in those 20 years
Liverpool -7
Leeds -2
Man U -2
Everton -2
Derby -2
Tottenham-1
Arsenal -1
Forest -1
Emirates Marketing Project -1
Ipswich -1
Now thats fcuking exciting and unpredictable
between 1960 and 1980, there were 10 different winners of the League championship in those 20 years
Liverpool -7
Leeds -2
Man U -2
Everton -2
Derby -2
Tottenham-1
Arsenal -1
Forest -1
Emirates Marketing Project -1
Ipswich -1
Now thats fcuking exciting and unpredictable
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indianspur
Guest
Re: O/T Financial Fair Play
FFP is a load of twaddle. The super clubs (Real, Barca, Bayern Munich, Man Utd etc) must be pi$$ing themselves with laughter
FFP is a load of twaddle. The super clubs (Real, Barca, Bayern Munich, Man Utd etc) must be pi$$ing themselves with laughter
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Superhudd
Simon Davies
Re: O/T Financial Fair Play
It happens in the NFL. The richer teams subsidise the smaller teams. So if a Dallas/Patriot fan buys a Cap, part of profit will find its way to the Bengals. Also gates in the NFL are split 60-40.
It happens in the NFL. The richer teams subsidise the smaller teams. So if a Dallas/Patriot fan buys a Cap, part of profit will find its way to the Bengals. Also gates in the NFL are split 60-40.
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Baleforce
Martin Peters
Re: O/T Financial Fair Play
there are a lot of things that happen in the NFL which would never get past european laws
there are a lot of things that happen in the NFL which would never get past european laws
Superhudd
Simon Davies
Re: O/T Financial Fair Play
If FFP gets past, so would Revenue sharing. Its about placing in the rules and everyone abiding by them rules. In a sense the Premier League has revenue sharing already with its Television money. At the beginning of the season Liverpool tried to get the right to search its own overseas TV rights, akin to Barcelona and Madrid getting all the money in Spain. The Premier League clubs knocked them back and to stick with the revenue sharing option.
If FFP gets past, so would Revenue sharing. Its about placing in the rules and everyone abiding by them rules. In a sense the Premier League has revenue sharing already with its Television money. At the beginning of the season Liverpool tried to get the right to search its own overseas TV rights, akin to Barcelona and Madrid getting all the money in Spain. The Premier League clubs knocked them back and to stick with the revenue sharing option.