Ex-managers: I'm pining for the past and cannot move on

[clevelandspur]

Re: Bring Back AVB

Three holding midfielders at all times playing the most dire football I've ever seen at spurs no thanks

And please save his tactics were set around bale I can remember at least 4 last minute winners from bale which were individual move and a corker from 30 plus yards that is hardly anything to do with the manager. Matter of fact we were so poor going forward most matches we all knew that was our only hope of scoring

 

[Spurs7891]

Re: Bring Back AVB

Unlike all his recent counterparts - Sherwood (blown every interview by opening his mouth), Redknapp (relegation, botched promotion, imminent relegation and/or sacking), Ramos (sent to the gulags), Jol (sacked by Fulham), Santini (not worked in 8 years) and Hoddle (not worked in 8 years) - one of our recent managers has gone on to prove his fundamental qualities by going from strength-to-strength at his following club.

Zenit are now sitting 7 points clear after 13 games, with a GD of +26. AVB is once again one of the hottest coaching properties in Europe.

Lots of people didn't like his medicine, but perhaps if we brought him back and backed him properly, he is the visionary that would lead us to the promised land?

Zenit has just lost their first league match of the season but are still leading the league by 7 points as their closest rival CSKA Moscow also lost. I have always been a AVB fan. Really enjoyed AVB's first season with us, especially his passionate goal celebrations and the brilliant form of Bale. True, our football were largely boring but we played effective football to win games. Afterall, how many Spurs managers have beaten ManU in the last 15 years or so ? AVB did that and will always thank him for that memorable win. I think AVB would have done wonders if we had a playmaker like Modric or Moutinho who he wanted but failed to sign by the stingy Levy. We achieved our record points in the league and would have finished top 4 if not for the stupidity by Walker against Liverpool and Caulker against Everton. Wish we had kept AVB for atleast until the end of last season.

 

[Spurs7891]

Re: Sherwood would we be better off if he stayed?

IMO, Sherwood were very lucky that he took over only after the group matches of the EL were finished. He only played 4 EL matches in the knockout stages. And we won 2 and lost 2 league matches played after those EL matches. I think the question will be how Sherwood would have done if we were still in the early stages of the EL when he took over ?

For the record, last season AVB played 8 matches in EL and he won 3, lost 4 and drew 1 of the league matches played after the EL matches. Pochettino's record so far reads, won 2 and lost 4 league matches after playing in Europe so far this season. Disappointingly, playing in Europe has become something of a jinx to us in recent years.

 

[WestBerkshire]

Re: Sherwood would we be better off if he stayed?

The people on here who absolutely slate him with the backstabbing vile human being malarkey(I'm looking at scary and gutter boy) what are your actually experiences with the man i take it you know him personally or your paths have crossed at some point at least? I'd love to actually hear some of the stories about the man and his acts my dad got it in his head he's a wrong but had absolutely no idea I'm not doubting he isn't but would like to know why?

Anyone??? Or do I just assume it's all hearsay?

 

[Mumorn]

Re: Bring Back AVB

In his first year with us, he made us hard to defeat a the season went on imv. We defended better overall and we scored LOADS of last minute goals in a never say die attitude from Bale, Siggy, Dempsey, Adebayor etc. it was like almost every game I expected us to score late on because thats how it was.

His second year when Spurs lost their identity was poor from a footballing POV but his first year wasnt bad footballing wise, don't let his second season cloud judgement. We were very effective. I'd take effective football over exciting football. a Mourinho over a Wenger for example.

 

[LCLC]

Re: Sherwood would we be better off if he stayed?

IMO, Sherwood were very lucky that he took over only after the group matches of the EL were finished. He only played 4 EL matches in the knockout stages. And we won 2 and lost 2 league matches played after those EL matches. I think the question will be how Sherwood would have done if we were still in the early stages of the EL when he took over ?

For the record, last season AVB played 8 matches in EL and he won 3, lost 4 and drew 1 of the league matches played after the EL matches. Pochettino's record so far reads, won 2 and lost 4 league matches after playing in Europe so far this season. Disappointingly, playing in Europe has become something of a jinx to us in recent years.

Unlike this year, the group we were drawn in was woefully bad. The standard of that was about league 1, low end championship. It was actually laughable how serious he took it and then point to his win ratio.

The fact AVB kept basically picking his strongest sides away in Russia, Norway etc was his own fault and contributed to his sacking.

 

[Lemonade Money]

Re: Sherwood would we be better off if he stayed?

Where's the poll?

 

[glasgowspur]

Re: Sherwood would we be better off if he stayed?

A lot of pointless stats being tossed about, tim beat such a team and AVB didn't and vice versa. Any team can perform well or badly on any given day, means nothing.
At this moment in time would we be better under tim? We would 6 months further along the curve so I think it's likely. Longer term not so sure.


Sitting on my porcelain throne using Fapatalk

 

[Gutter Boy]

Re: Bring Back AVB

Who else can we bring back?

That's kind of the point

I was trying out being a reactionary.

I never like going backwards (getting old players back is bad enough, let alone old coaches)

 

[SpurMeUp]

Re: Bring Back AVB

The football we produced under him where we went games for the first time in the 40 years I have been watching us not even have a shot at the opposition goal made me want to cry and not watch us any more. That was the only time in 40 years I ever felt that way about spurs.

Whether he was undermined by not getting the players he wanted is another matter.

Also in his last month he wanted out so bad that he stopped giving his tactical briefings before games, I know this for a fact because it came from some one who was part of the dressing room at that time.

On a personal not I hated him as much as some hated Sherwood. The football we played under him was more anti football then under Graham and the stuff we will be playing under Pulis in January if things keep heading south.

I am all for some exotic foreign coach who can have us playing sexy football. But avb at Chelsea and then us was not it. Poch might well be if we give him a chance.

AVB??? Gutterboy I like you and have stuck up for you more then most but your smoking crack son.

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[LCLC]

Re: Bring Back AVB

Please no.

His 'philosophy' has set us back years. Players sold and bought to suit a system that failed at Chelsea and didn't work with us.

When he was appointed I was willing to give him a chance. The first weeks were really poor and he made some decisions I hated. However we started to perform and looking back, we were only able to do this because of Bales' wonder goals. Take Bale away before and after and we were poor.

Say what you want about Chelsea players, but their squad is full of experience and the fact they revolted should have said it all. His arrogance is sickening and the quicker he becomes a rally driver the better

 

[SpursLodge]

Re: Bring Back AVB

Anyone looking back on AVBs "record points tally" season and claiming him to be some sort of messiah on the back of it is a loon. It was boring negative football livened up by one Mr Gareth Bale. If you put Bale in this current team we'd probably get a similar amount of points as he won most of them on his own.

The fact is the current team isn't good enough. It's slow, lacks leadership and the only really good player we have is Lloris. Levy needs to ship out the dross (at a loss if necessary) and get in the players that Poch wants. Until he does that we'll continue to be stuck between mid table and 5th and no manager, even AVB could change that.

 

[SteveAWOL]

Re: Bring Back AVB

So AVB has taken by far the highest spending team in Russia to the top of their league having previously set records with the richest club in Portugal, guess he should be a good fit at Cit£h should he ever fancy a third attempt at holding onto a job in England.

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We'll never know but I doubt we'd have finished 5th in his first season without Bale. Irrelevant maybe as we did have Bale but his last minute winners against West Ham and Sunderland on the final day of the season wouldn't have happened. He'd have guided us to maybe 9th without him that season and we wouldn't be having this discussion - IMO.

Agreed. We had arguably the 3rd best attacker in the world playing for us and still couldn't finish ahead of an ARSENal side spearheaded by Giroud and whose top scorer was Walclam.

The following season AVB had no world class players to bail him out when his plan A failed and we were just left with a turgid mess which we are still labouring with 12 months and 2 managers later.

 

[africanspurs]

Re: Bring Back AVB

To me personally i see him as a bit of a fraud

I am also not surprised that he ran to another league similar to the one he had initial success in. A league that is completely lob sided where he sits on a team that could be considered, relatively speaking to that nation, a financial and footballing powerhouse in comparison to the other teams in that league

He is at his level....... were he in spain or germany he would be eaten alive....he doesnt have what it takes

Maybe..just maybe....he could make it work in another easter eurpoean league if he finds the right team

Am glad he is gone.....and its ironic that Gutter boy slates a few of the people he himself championed in the quest to make this guy look good after a handful of games in the league

speaking of which ..am pretty sure Gutter Boy also championed Pochettino's appointment?

 

[ringo]

Re: Bring Back AVB

It was no fun watching Spurs live under AVB. Which was barely OK when the results compensated for the boring football, but certainly not when they didn't.
Plus he looked increasingly out of his depth when under pressure. He was quite inflexible in his approach, didn't really settle on a"best" team, and played players out of their positions. I was glad when he went, and I'm sure we can do better (not sure that is Poch, though).

Of course we'll never know what might have happened if he had got all the players he wanted -but then that's probably the same with a lot of our managers. It will be interesting to see how long 4-2-3-1 is a dominant system for. I think it is demanding system in terms of specialised players, and without adequate attacking resources becomes too defensive, possessive based, and stultifying. And those attacking resources, in the right mix, and right quality, are scarce if you haven't got big money.

 

[Gutter Boy]

Re: Bring Back AVB

Anyone looking back on AVBs "record points tally" season and claiming him to be some sort of messiah on the back of it is a loon. It was boring negative football livened up by one Mr Gareth Bale. If you put Bale in this current team we'd probably get a similar amount of points as he won most of them on his own.

I think there's a stat that we were more successful in games that Bale didn't play under him (periods of injury), than when he did.

speaking of which ..am pretty sure Gutter Boy also championed Pochettino's appointment?

I was broadly supportive of it being any of FdB, Poch or Benitez. Moyes was the one I didn't want.

I think I started actively supporting Poch earlier than most, just because I saw the direction it was heading (i.e. that we were distancing ourselves from FdB).

 

[Gutter Boy]

Re: Bring Back AVB

It was no fun watching Spurs live under AVB. Which was barely OK when the results compensated for the boring football, but certainly not when they didn't.
Plus he looked increasingly out of his depth when under pressure. He was quite inflexible in his approach, didn't really settle on a"best" team, and played players out of their positions. I was glad when he went, and I'm sure we can do better (not sure that is Poch, though).

Of course we'll never know what might have happened if he had got all the players he wanted -but then that's probably the same with a lot of our managers. It will be interesting to see how long 4-2-3-1 is a dominant system for. I think it is demanding system in terms of specialised players, and without adequate attacking resources becomes too defensive, possessive based, and stultifying. And those attacking resources, in the right mix, and right quality, are scarce if you haven't got big money.

I believe AVB always wanted to play 4-3-3. We just didn't buy him the ballplayer he needed (Moutinho cf Dembele), the LWF he needed (Willian cf Eriksen) or the LB he needed (Coentrao cf Rose).

 

[Kingdawson]

Re: Bring Back AVB

Avb didn't even attempt to play 4-3-3 once...not in cup games, not in league games, not once. He did have the personnel to play it the old Chelsea mourinho way but never attempted it at one time.

The funny thing is that it was Sherwood that actually attemped 4-3-3.(at home vs Everton last season) and we won.

Like African said ...AVB is the ultimate fraud.

 

[Mosquito_Coasting]

Re: So, the big elephant in the room...

When it first happen I wasn't that upset as he did seem to take his eye off the ball and we should have nailed third. Also I thought AVB was a good appointment and a risk worth taking. But seeing Levy sack AVB and then Sherwood it's getting boring and it all seems completely pointless. I'd be amazed if Poch was here in 18 months. It's easier to sack a manager than a squad and the two don't seem to be meshing right now. Harry seemed to bring everyone together and knows how to build a team. With hindsight I think we should have stuck with him and swallowed our pride. He knows the league and as Finney said, he would have likely got someone like Lescott in. Would have been fun seeing him with that Bale money and I don't think he would have done worse than Baldini.... He's the only manager in recent times who truly delivered.

 

[glorygloryeze]

Re: Bring Back AVB

Avb didn't even attempt to play 4-3-3 once...not in cup games, not in league games, not once. He did have the personnel to play it the old Chelsea mourinho way but never attempted it at one time.

The funny thing is that it was Sherwood that actually attemped 4-3-3.(at home vs Everton last season) and we won.

Like African said ...AVB is the ultimate fraud.

I think you're wrong there; i'm sure he did in the league away game at Chelski when we drew 2-2 with Siggy getting the equaliser in the last 12 mnins. I'm sure we ended up in a 4-3-3 in the 3-1 home win vs City as well.