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Daniel Levy - Former Chairman

MartyFunkhouser said:
Wouldn't be shocked if it was him doing it for clout and it not being true, looked like a stich up from who else was on the panel, I would have to watch it again TBH, not that it means much to even bother
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I think SJ and DL are mates, and I agree that it’s weird for SJ to allow a private text to make its way on air.

I think what it says though is that DL doesn’t think his view is embarrassing, he probably thinks it makes him look better. And I think that says it all.
 
SissokoWasGood (BoL) said:
I think SJ and DL are mates, and I agree that it’s weird for SJ to allow a private text to make its way on air.

I think what it says though is that DL doesn’t think his view is embarrassing, he probably thinks it makes him look better. And I think that says it all.
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I think it was all a stunt. If Jordan didn’t want that aired they have a delay and a dump button. Personally I think it was a dingdong move on both SJ and DL’s parts
 
DubaiSpur said:
True, but with a caveat imo. Him running Arsenal is absolutely irrelevant to me. Kane was in their youth program for a wee bit as a kid, Gallagher's a Chelsea lad, and so on. As long as you're professional and keep your Goon connections to yourself when you're on the clock (and represent the club well when off it), it makes little difference these days.

What bothers me more is his reluctance, or inability, to read the room when things are going badly wrong. Keeping Frank for as long as he did because it worked with Arteta ignores the many environmental differences between the two situations. Trusting Lange as anything more than a glorified scout, even more so. Couple that with the unforced errors, like promising more communication, and then disappearing for months when the team was in the murk - or agreeing to do that tech conference talk about being CEO at Spurs when the team was desperately fighting against relegation. Hiring Tudor as an interim because he was on Paratici's 'break glass in case of emergency' sticky note, and then getting desperate and giving de Zerbi total control and a fat wage to join just a month later.

If it's true that Nick Beucher was the one who stepped in to get Frank sacked, it doesn't speak well of Vinai's ability to read the room - which should be one of the main survival traits for any leader.

I frankly think we're in a bit of an odd situation at the moment where it seems like the Lewis kids (or at least, Vivienne Lewis) genuinely want the club to act differently to how their dad let Levy run it (and by some accounts, Vivienne didn't like Levy, so it checks out). But they've put trust in Vinai and Lange to run that rebuild (and Charrington to hang around as their eye on things). And I'm not sure that will work out the way the Lewis kids think it will.
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I do agree. Why I caveated ‘for the purposes of this conversation’ because GHod knows I have my worries about why Vinai kept Frank for so long.

I too am fascinated by the Lewis kids. I initially thought they’d want to sell and any claim that they didn’t want that was just posturing to drive up the price. But maybe there’s an aspect to this that if all PL clubs are sports washing these days, maybe they are trying to regain the Lewis family brand? Maybe they don’t want their family to be known for the dad’s dirty dealings, but for bringing success to the club?

Also would love to know more about NB’s role. Heard that he pushed to get De Zerbi in whatever the cost, and you have to say that was the most insightful decision anyone in a position of power at the club took all of last season.
 
SissokoWasGood (BoL) said:
I think SJ and DL are mates, and I agree that it’s weird for SJ to allow a private text to make its way on air.

I think what it says though is that DL doesn’t think his view is embarrassing, he probably thinks it makes him look better. And I think that says it all.
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I suspect he also didn't expect a text between peers to be aired???

In fairness I have seen debates all week on twitter that range from "good deal" to "bad deal", I mean I am sure I have seen that on here too. So its not really the gotcha people people are making out, two men from the game discuss the value of the deal
 
MartyFunkhouser said:
I suspect he also didn't expect a text between peers to be aired???

In fairness I have seen debates all week on twitter that range from "good deal" to "bad deal", I mean I am sure I have seen that on here too. So its not really the gotcha people people are making out, two men from the game discuss the value of the deal
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Yeah I just genuinely don’t think DL would even think he has anything to be embarrassed about by his view on the deal being out there. He probably thinks it makes him look better.
 
MartyFunkhouser said:
I suspect he also didn't expect a text between peers to be aired???

In fairness I have seen debates all week on twitter that range from "good deal" to "bad deal", I mean I am sure I have seen that on here too. So its not really the gotcha people people are making out, two men from the game discuss the value of the deal
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It's not a gotcha, it's just a confirmation of our understanding of his rationale. His response to the details of the deal is completely unsurprising.
 
MartyFunkhouser said:
And under an ownership model where someone else held the cash, its likely spot on
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Almost all clubs are run by someone spending money for someone else. Levy wasn't unique in that regard. What was unique was his personal ownership percentage and the the potential conflict of interest there.
 
MartyFunkhouser said:
Correct, it is also over looked that he was never a rich man himself, so was not using his own money but the money allocated to him. Much easier for the family who actually own the club to say "we will be spending more" than it is for the man tasked with running their company.

Also I think all of this talk always over looks where we came from at the time DL took the reigns to where we are now, all the arguments about ambition and success in the transfer market comes from a base he grew, raising expectations. There is no way in 2001 the same fans would have been arguing for parity with Arsenal, Liverpool, Bayern and Dortmund. And equally, I find people only ever compare us to clubs based on their hugely successful moments, not their bad.

For a club that has won 2 league titles in its life I do find some of this laughable, you can be ambitious, but also being realistic isn't the crime its made out to be. I went down a Hoddle rabbit hole the other day and it re-shocked me to realise we won 3 major trophies in his 12 years here, 3, all coming over 3 years, so for 9 years we did nothing, over a period fondly looked back with him and players as the "Glory Glory" times. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love him and that period too, but again, it wasn't exactly prolific success.

The guy made massive mistakes here, but he also most certainly raised the expectations of the fanbase which for me is a marker of his success.
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Oh if only we could win 3 major trophies in 12 years again at some point of the rest of my life!
 
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