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Daniel Levy - Chairman

BrainOfLevy said:
DTA - what is suffering the consequences? What is being wrong in this regard? Is 'being wrong' not finishing top 4? 5? The whole aspect of decision making is much more nuanced than that. We are going to lose games. We are going to win games. We are going to draw games. We are 90% likely to finish top 8. We're probably 60/70% likely to finish top 6. What is 'being wrong' in this scenario? We are building a team for the long term. We want to give our young players game time. (I'm not having that Eric Dier is going to learn more from watching Victor Wanyama train than he is by playing every week by the way). We want to build a stadium.

Having a strategy means not deviating from that to lurch into tactical decision making. It means being consistent. If we have a long term strategy, 'being wrong' would constitute paying over the odds for players that we then want to shift because they are taking up wages and a squad space for someone we'd rather have. Look at dingdong Advocaat's complaints about Sunderland, they are still paying every year for rubbish players that aren't even there any more.

As for this DM thing, that really isn't a big deal. Our best combination last season was Mason and Bentaleb, who performed much better than specialised DMs Capoue and Stambouli, who were moved on as quickly as they could be. Dier is playing well, and we can also give Carroll a run there if needed. We are a team full of examples of showing that having experienced signings who cost more money than academy players doesn't mean they will perform better. And the good thing is, our entire strategy and our entire competitive advantage is based on that. So I'm glad we are living by it.
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Carroll as a dm? Oh dear... Maybe Mason and Bentaleb was our best combination, but the dm position was still our weakest point. The fact that Poch has resorted to playing a ch there tells me he wasn't satisfied with Masons defensive contribution. Mason looked a poor player at the end of last season, because he wasn't comfortable with the amount of defensive responsability he was given.
 
E3zzle said:
Carroll as a dm? Oh dear... Maybe Mason and Bentaleb was our best combination, but the dm position was still our weakest point. The fact that Poch has resorted to playing a ch there tells me he wasn't satisfied with Masons defensive contribution. Mason looked a poor player at the end of last season, because he wasn't comfortable with the amount of defensive responsability he was given.
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That is why you think that Mason looked poor at the end of last season. It could just as easily be fluctuating form which would be understandable in his first Premier League season or it could be the result of his pre-season being interrupted and this catching up with him.

Dier has started the season well and it is easy to understand why he has held onto his position. Him starting there was forced on Poch though with Mason getting injured and Bentaleb being off form.

As for Carroll playing as a DM. We did not play with a DM for much of last season. Many sides don't now days. He did play as a deep play maker last year for Swansea and it is very conceivable that we could use him in that way this season. He would seem to be a very suitable replacement for Mason in our cup games for instance.
 
DTA said:
What is being wrong? Being wrong simply is if Kane is out, or off form or needing a rest, the alternatives (wheather individuals or system) that we play leaves us toothless up front and our results suffer because of it.

This is not about Berahino this is about having a viable alternative to Kane, who some would argue, could do with a bit of a rest already, what happened the last time we had to sub him? I seem to remember it not being pretty, now imagine he gets injured on England duty.

As for only having dier as dm, I'm ok with that as we have players who played there last year, are they world beaters, no. Could they be upgraded, yes. But they have played to standard there already and I'm happy that we have somewhat proven alternatives to dier if needed.... Something we don't have with Kane at all.
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Man utd, Arsenal, R Madrid, Barca are all in this 'crisis' of only having the one CF. We have plenty of players used to putting the ball in the net. We may have to tweak the way we get to the net but ffs its not impossible.
 
milo said:
That is why you think that Mason looked poor at the end of last season. It could just as easily be fluctuating form which would be understandable in his first Premier League season or it could be the result of his pre-season being interrupted and this catching up with him.

Dier has started the season well and it is easy to understand why he has held onto his position. Him starting there was forced on Poch though with Mason getting injured and Bentaleb being off form.

As for Carroll playing as a DM. We did not play with a DM for much of last season. Many sides don't now days. He did play as a deep play maker last year for Swansea and it is very conceivable that we could use him in that way this season. He would seem to be a very suitable replacement for Mason in our cup games for instance.
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Dier has only started playing well in the last few games, when Mason was back from injury. Poch still prefered dier and mason to mason and bentaleb. If someone like carroll is to take on a deep role, he needs a defensive minded player next to him. We have an aboundance of players who can play no8, but we lack players who can play no6.
 
E3zzle said:
As for the other teams, players like Ayew and Payet were outstanding last season, and seem to have settled very well. They will surely strengthen their teams massively.
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you can't deny they have started well, they are both notorious for their inconsistency though
 
E3zzle said:
All of you who think Capoue was awful last season should read this or stfu.

http://www.goal.com/en/match/tottenham-hotspur-vs-southampton/1703631/ratings
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/match/Ar5ena1-vs-tottenham-hotspur/1703595/ratings
http://www.goal.com/en/match/tottenham-hotspur-vs-queens-park-rangers/1703533/ratings
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Poch looks like he was not in agreement. I liked him, it might have been an attitude problem, I watched hm for Watford the other day and he was absolutely spent at the end of the game, it might have been a fitness and stamina problem? We know Poch likes them fit.
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
Man utd, Ar5ena1, R Madrid, Barca are all in this 'crisis' of only having the one CF. We have plenty of players used to putting the ball in the net. We may have to tweak the way we get to the net but ffs its not impossible.
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None of the teams you mention, have only one centralized striker, all of the teams you ment have better players than us almost across the board.
 
LCLC said:
IF ANYONE believes that statement then clearly there is no hope for some of our fans. Whilst I agree some fans are completely ridiculous in their hatred of levy, this window has been **** on a variety of levels. Other teams fans cannot believe how our squad has been left and pundits and journos are putting their foot (rightly) in. I thought ranting about why it took till sept to sign a much needed striker was the worse case scenario this summer,but this takes the tinkle.

Poch labelled Alli as a forward player who can fill in up front - a 19 year old player who has played exclusively as a number 4 or 8 im league 1 is meant to make up for the fact we have 1 striker in the squad? If you genuinely think Poch is satisfied then you are deluded.

If this was solely about the DM issue we have then I could understand the debate. However to argue with belief that son is suddenly the answer and that NJIe is more than enough to replace kane then you are making stuff up based upon their experience, record and basic skillset (to what they have shown so far).

Poch will be livid about the striker situation and the statement is one of the most contrived pieces of **** I have seen levy produce. Days before Poch was open about how serious the need for a striker was yet now he is fine? cobblers! We have the worst strike force in the league by default and we are on the brink of a crisis.

By this I mean that if kane gets injured for eng or we lose to Sunderland, try clinging onto these positives then.... If that happened we would see huge tensions at the club (also bare in the mind that our best players will be tinkleed off at this) and we could be in a tangle come xmas when people keep focusing on poch's system and selections - ignoring the fact he has been sold down the river.
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A hell of a lot hyperbole in that post and you use the word deluded. I suggest you take a look in the mirror mate before you accuse others of something you are really good at yourself.
 
E3zzle said:
Carroll as a dm? Oh dear... Maybe Mason and Bentaleb was our best combination, but the dm position was still our weakest point. The fact that Poch has resorted to playing a ch there tells me he wasn't satisfied with Masons defensive contribution. Mason looked a poor player at the end of last season, because he wasn't comfortable with the amount of defensive responsability he was given.
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This I will agree with 100%, I said during last season that we badly needed to upgrade that part of our team or suffer again this season. I was hoping that Pouch would make it a priority to strengthen that before anything else.

Now I agree he has not bought someone to do that but watching Dier closely at the games he has been our most consistent player so far. Seeing he has only played 4 games there he looks a natural and with more games behind him could be a great find.
 
parklane1 said:
This I will agree with 100%, I said during last season that we badly needed to upgrade that part of our team or suffer again this season. I was hoping that Pouch would make it a priority to strengthen that before anything else.

Now I agree he has not bought someone to do that but watching Dier closely at the games he has been our most consistent player so far. Seeing he has only played 4 games there he looks a natural and with more games behind him could be a great find.
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especially as he can drop in more comfortably than others and allow our backs to push up
 
galeforce said:
especially as he can drop in more comfortably than others and allow our backs to push up
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Indeed,, one of the problems in CM last season was neither Mason or Bentaleb have/has a good reading of the defensive side of the game. Because this they were caught ball watching a lot and allowed runners to get in behind them which left our backline exposed far to many times.

Because Dier has a defensive mind set he can see where the danger may come from when we push players up and will cover the space much better. He looks like he is a natural for the position we badly lacked in last season. ( imo).
 
parklane1 said:
This I will agree with 100%, I said during last season that we badly needed to upgrade that part of our team or suffer again this season. I was hoping that Pouch would make it a priority to strengthen that before anything else.

Now I agree he has not bought someone to do that but watching Dier closely at the games he has been our most consistent player so far. Seeing he has only played 4 games there he looks a natural and with more games behind him could be a great find.
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I agree that he has done well, but he's yet to perform in games where we come under a lot of preassure. Still, him performing in that role only means we needed to add one dm instead of two imo.
 
vj531 said:
Poch looks like he was not in agreement. I liked him, it might have been an attitude problem, I watched hm for Watford the other day and he was absolutely spent at the end of the game, it might have been a fitness and stamina problem? We know Poch likes them fit.
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Yes, it was probably an attitude problem. The point is however that people are saying the players we sold didn't contribute anything last season, and that we didn't lose anything by selling them.
 
DTA said:
What is being wrong? Being wrong simply is if Kane is out, or off form or needing a rest, the alternatives (wheather individuals or system) that we play leaves us toothless up front and our results suffer because of it.

This is not about Berahino this is about having a viable alternative to Kane, who some would argue, could do with a bit of a rest already, what happened the last time we had to sub him? I seem to remember it not being pretty, now imagine he gets injured on England duty.

As for only having dier as dm, I'm ok with that as we have players who played there last year, are they world beaters, no. Could they be upgraded, yes. But they have played to standard there already and I'm happy that we have somewhat proven alternatives to dier if needed.... Something we don't have with Kane at all.
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And if results suffer? What are the ramifications of that? Why is it a catastrophic occurrence? Again, we are playing a long game with a long term strategy. Clearly the decision makers have understood the dichotomy between spending money to improve chances of wins, and have decided some players aren't worth it. They will understand the ramifications of the nuanced decision. I don't get the sense that the club is going to be finger pointing at each other behind the scenes. It seems they are all pulling in one direction to build something. United had to spend ridiculous money on an unproven 19 year old just to have a back up striker. The market is crazy.

Forget instant gratification and the obsession with the top 4 and start supporting a team that is growing together, and who the manager is proud to lead.
 
E3zzle said:
Yes, it was probably an attitude problem. The point is however that people are saying the players we sold didn't contribute anything last season, and that we didn't lose anything by selling them.
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Its a great example of the information lacking when we discuss the majority of football matters.
Im not sure why he left or why most things happen at Spurs we can just in the main guess!
 
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