What are you on about? What has he changed that you agree with?
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What are you on about? What has he changed that you agree with?
Main ones would be changes to the foot pyramid and removing the universal recommendation that newborn babies receive the hepB vaccine within minutes of birth, to no earlier than 2 months.
MartyFunkhouser
Terry Dyson
Isn't his anti Vaccine rhetoric causing issues with measles outbreaks etc?
There are countless examples of countries where RFK is not responsible for health protocals with 95%+ vaccination rates that have had measles outbreaks.
Israel had 4000 cases in 2019 with a 97% vaccination rate. That would equate to 160,000 cases in the US.
MartyFunkhouser
Terry Dyson
Because despite those numbers there is a global decline in uptake, numbers that seem high on paper are reducing and outbreaks are increasing.
In part because of b0ll0x spouted online and by divs like RFK....in the US case of decline uptake
On Israel, seems the kids dying were all unvaxed for Measles. Shame that people are being scared by faux twitter scientists
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The global uptake didn’t reduce until Covid changed the perception of vaccines changed. The example I gave you was from 2019. Can find many examples before then and since in developed counties. The US still has a higher uptake than the UK.
My wife was a Pediatric nurse for 10 years. She already held the view that vaccines should be delayed which was very common among her colleagues. When returning to work in 2020 she was told she was required to get the Covid vaccine even though she was breast feeding and she said no. She’s been a stay at home mother since. Granted if we were not financially able to make that work there would have been more of a dilemma.
Given her education and career I follow her lead on anything health related. She follows my on finances
. Both our kids (5 years and 5 months) have had some vaccines but not all on the schedule, the youngest will be getting less.
MartyFunkhouser
Terry Dyson
The global uptake didn’t reduce until Covid changed the perception of vaccines changed. The example I gave you was from 2019. Can find many examples before then and since in developed counties. The US still has a higher uptake than the UK.
My wife was a Pediatric nurse for 10 years. She already held the view that vaccines should be delayed which was very common among her colleagues. When returning to work in 2020 she was told she was required to get the Covid vaccine even though she was breast feeding and she said no. She’s been a stay at home mother since. Granted if we were not financially able to make that work there would have been more of a dilemma.
Given her education and career I follow her lead on anything health related. She follows my on finances
The UK is fcuked for the same reasons Ive said. My mum has just retired from running 3 practices and the uptakes been on the decline because people taking their health views from online no marks and RFK types. Given how safe and its importance here, the short fall in MMR uptake is massively dangerous, as seen in regional outbreaks here.
Don't be fooled that this is a UK v American thing, its not, its just our lack of uptake isn't being lead by the chief of health here, its other d1ckheads online
RFK is a dangerous oddball
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The outbreaks were happening before Covid which is when the decline in vaccine uptake happened. It still happens in countries with the high vaccine uptake.
Before we go further. Do you view the Covid vaccine differently to the other vaccines that have been in place for many years. Or equally safe and effective?
MartyFunkhouser
Terry Dyson
I think you have to, to an extent, MMR has been here since 1988 and has been hugely successful and safe.
Thats not to say Covid isnt safe and wasn't successful, but there are clearly different things for different situations which have unfortunately been conflated and had rhetorics around them created by people who want to scare people for engagement and online monetary gain.
Do you accept that the rollout of the Covid vaccine played its part in the rise of vaccine skepticism? Or is it entirely down to online discourse.
My wife was making $140k a year before she walked away. With benefits that would be worth another £40k on top. Shes not exactly done it for the money.
MartyFunkhouser
Terry Dyson
I think it was badly explained away because there were too many voices involved in the roll out, but I equally think it was pounced on by people who wanted to weaponise it for their own gain.
My issue comes that people are not seemingly intelligent enough to look beyond it and are taking their ques on MMR from macarons when its been an important and safe tool in society for decades.
I dont wanna go down a long winded covid debate TBH, it was done to death on here for years.
Its shameful how people are being scared off MMR by online macarons and yes I think is come from opportunism which spawned in Covid period.
I suspect your wife isnt telling people not to have MMR because she didnt want Covid Jab.....which is the point
Fukin cranks everywhere. Stop discussing what you don't understand. There's a thread on Covd here where all this brick was thoroughly debunked.
MartyFunkhouser
Terry Dyson
Covid, Chemtrails......9/11, the trifecta
Rorschach
Mel Hopkins
If only it were a trifecta, and not unending nonsense.
My wife would tell someone to wait until the last possible moment if asked for her opinion today on MMR. She has a plan for our son for vaccines he will get that is spaced out and at an older age than recommend. My daughter is not due any more for another 9 years. They will be getting less than the average child.
She personally gave the MMR and other vaccines on the schedule thousands of times and saw issues arise first hand. Her expireince is that some children, especially when younger or getting vaccines closer together, are more susceptible to serious vaccine injury and that combination vaccines like MMR would more frequently result in issues. That rarely would the Drs report a vaccine related injury so the statistics will be inaccurate. The insurance companies would have incentive programs to reward the practice for high vaccination rates as well.
Prior to Covid her view was that these issues happened but for the majority of children vaccines worked and were safe. So although she would see problems arise for some individual children its still providing a net benefit to society. I remember her having a huge arguement with her cousin when we first met who was anti vax. Back when it was a fringe left wing issue so the hippy cousin was anti anything big pharma.
But since becoming a mother herself her views have changed and she feels enormous guilt for the vaccines she gave which resulted in injuring those children. She initially quit due to the insistence on the Covid vaccine and then not wishing to give them anymore, and just enjoying being a Mum, is the main part of why she has not gone back to work.
She will tell you that without fail, every single nurse colleague she had that’s also a mother, will delay the recommended schedule for their own children as well as many of the Drs she worked with. Many don’t vaccinate at all and some had moved to practices that allow parents to chose.
Since Covid and becoming a mother she’s done a lot more research on vaccine safety. She still believes that vaccines work and are effective for the majority of people and children but that many of the vaccines are not necessary as the risk of serious issues form those diseases are so low.
With RFK she is not totally in alignment with his views, both on vaccines and healthcare in general. But she voted for Trump primarily due to RFK when she’s voted Democrat every other time she was eligible. She believes that skepticism of vaccines is positive and will ultimately result in the safety testing being improved and a greater understanding of why vaccines can cause problems in some cases which is more frequent than the industry liked to admit.
For me as I said I follow her lead on health. Shes graduated from one of the best nursing schools in the world. She’s not overly political or conspiratorial in any other ways. I’ve come from the UK and see the stranglehold and influence that the pharmaceutical companies have over the healthcare system in the US and I dont trust them when it comes to medication in general. I’m sure you know about the opioid crisis. Why would I then give some of the very same profit orientated companies the benefit of the doubt with vaccines when they are not even legally obligated to ensure their safety to the same degree as a drugs they put to market?
If that makes us quacks so be it.
With all due respect, the world's leading infectious disease experts are the ones who say you are quacks. If it walks like one, it is one.
This would work if when Drs who are leading infectious disease experts that form a different viewpoint on vaccinations were not immediately discredited as grifters and quacks.
I suspect you don’t agree with the worlds leading economic experts in a multitude of ways either. I suspect you question why they are considered the world leading experts that provide feedback on government policy. What about the worlds leading experts if foreign policy? What about on crime and policing?