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American politics

Whatever the current relationships the Gulf nations have with Iran, Qatar might the most friendly, none of them want a nuclear-armed Iran, nor do they want a protracted civil war if the Iranian regime were to fall. The arguments are that these strikes may be a win in the short term but in the medium term they are pushing Iran into one of these scenarios.
Trump knocked the first domino over by brick-canning the JCPOA because of his personal dislike of Obama. It was Trump trying to recreate a similar agreement with the Trump sticker on it that prompted Bibi to shoot his load over Iran at this time. And BiBi saw Trump was weak enough to do nothing to stop him, and he was right. This ceasefire or the next version of it won't hold IMO as it is not in Netanyahu's interest that it does.
 
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Rorschach said:
Whatever the current relationships the Gulf nations have with Iran, Qatar might the most friendly, none of them want a nuclear-armed Iran, nor do they want a protracted civil war if the Iranian regime were to fall. The arguments are that these strikes may be a win in the short term but in the medium term they are pushing Iran into one of these scenarios.
Trump knocked the first domino over by brick-canning the JCPOA because of his personal dislike of Obama. It was Trump trying to recreate a similar agreement with the Trump sticker on it that prompted Bibi to shoot his load over Iran at this time. And BiBi saw Trump was weak enough to do nothing to stop him, and he was right. This ceasefire or the next version of it won't hold IMO as it is not in Netanyahu's interest that it does.
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Exactly my point just made better. They are united against a common threat. The Islamic Banks in Dubai are known for holding ALOT of their cash too. I don't think they wanna be losing the kind of money being washed round the Gulf
 
Grays_1890 said:
The relationship with the UAE has soured for sure but in terms of the interests of the Gulf they have always had a mutual belief in protecting what's being built.

Saudi, Qatar, Bahrain and the UAE despite their wealth rely on peace for their very lives moving forward. Saudi have poured 800bn into tourism, given their power in the region alone, there is no way they allow this to persist long term again IMO and for the fact that they will all have that united view point, I suspect that wins through.

Thats just my opinion, I could be wrong
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Qatar has always sat seperate from the others. They are not a united front as much as the idea in the west that they are united. Oman also differs largely from Saudi, UAE and Bahrain.

Qatar has no skin in Yemen or Sudan.

They have negotiated for the US with Taliban and Hamas. Something the others would not do.

There's genuine animosity on occasions to the point that the Saudi crown prince calling the Qatari Emir after the base attack was seen as significant news in the Gulf.
 
LutonSpurs said:
Qatar has always sat seperate from the others. They are not a united front as much as the idea in the west that they are united. Oman also differs largely from Saudi, UAE and Bahrain.

Qatar has no skin in Yemen or Sudan.

They have negotiated for the US with Taliban and Hamas. Something the others would not do.

There's genuine animosity on occasions to the point that the Saudi crown prince calling the Qatari Emir after the base attack was seen as significant news in the Gulf.
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Of course, but there is a common problem here which IMO they would have a united agreement that escalation in Iran is massively hurtful to all of them.

That's the main point I'm trying to make, maybe badly hahaha
 
LutonSpurs said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1938322471863898217
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It is not even surprising anymore. Trump has given these bigots a permission slip to reveal their true nature, and they are revelling in it. Mamdani represents a shift in power from monied interests, and they will use every dirty trick in the book to bring him down. They can't see beyond their own wealth and will do anything to cling on to power. America is burning, and they don't care as long as they get to rule over the ashes.

David Rothkopf posted a good analysis of it on Substack this morning - worth 10 minutes of your time.
davidrothkopf.substack.com

Why We All Should be Celebrating Mamdani's Win

And why the attacks on him actually reveal the deep flaws of his critics...
davidrothkopf.substack.com davidrothkopf.substack.com
 
I would get proper 24/7 security watching out for me if I was Mamdani. If he doesn't have it already. The Trump regime will step up their efforts to villify him and ramp up violent MAGAs now.
 
Robbo said:
I would get proper 24/7 security watching out for me if I was Mamdani. If he doesn't have it already. The Trump regime will step up their efforts to villify him and ramp up violent MAGAs now.
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The attacks are not all coming from one side of the house. Though Nadler did endorse him in the end, I don't think ye olde dems like this either. They are happy with their lot and don't want to rock the boat too much.
 
Rorschach said:
The attacks are not all coming from one side of the house. Though Nadler did endorse him in the end, I don't think ye olde dems like this either. They are happy with their lot and don't want to rock the boat too much.
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That's true, and it shows how intertwined the oldies are with big money/big business. Eric Adams is running as an independent too. I think someone like Mamdani is just what the democratic party needs, TBF. They need change and new energy, not just the same old faces.
 
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