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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

Imagine defending Tommy Robinson.

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I know that it’s the system that is actually the let down here. There are some genuine asylum seekers and then there those that are here to play the system.
Maybe, but they are few. Certainly not enough to get riled up over. And those protesting outside hotels certainly don't know who they are. Most that go into the asylum process get approved.
 
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One of the most subtle racisms there is actually is just basically pigeonholing ethnic minorities into political categories. Like they all need to be left wing and pro immigration.

Ben Habib is a British Pakistani who has left Reform and formed Advance UK, a right wing party into which he has welcomed Tommy Robinson.

Obviously Zia Yusuf is one of the leading figures in Reform.

Emil Maurice and Erhard Milch
 
Labour’s biggest problem imo is that whilst the Tories can edge further right from the centre ground and still retain their core support, Labour just can’t do that (and I don’t think they should). I’m not sure how they solve the conundrum of appeasing the slightly left of the party whilst maintaining the centre ground and fighting off the right wing parties. I hope they can find the balance before the next general election. It may need someone other than Starmer to do it though. A lot of noise around Andy Burnham at the moment. Would be a good choice for me but will take a while unless a good by election seat comes up for grabs.
 
Labour’s biggest problem imo is that whilst the Tories can edge further right from the centre ground and still retain their core support, Labour just can’t do that (and I don’t think they should). I’m not sure how they solve the conundrum of appeasing the slightly left of the party whilst maintaining the centre ground and fighting off the right wing parties. I hope they can find the balance before the next general election. It may need someone other than Starmer to do it though. A lot of noise around Andy Burnham at the moment. Would be a good choice for me but will take a while unless a good by election seat comes up for grabs.

They can improve workers' rights and conditions, whilst curbing social dumping (the importing of cheap labour). End all non-highly skilled work visa, and force companies to invest in training school leavers instead. That kills the problem at both ends.

The route of this is all governments from 2004 bending to big business on cheap labour.
 
So do you condemn the Pakistani Muslim rape gangs and all of those involved in the cover up?

Do you acknowledge where the mindset of preying on going white girls and other non Muslim girls comes from?

Do you think all white people need to condemn Saville and Prince Andrew? And accept the issue is with white English men?
 
Labour’s biggest problem imo is that whilst the Tories can edge further right from the centre ground and still retain their core support, Labour just can’t do that (and I don’t think they should). I’m not sure how they solve the conundrum of appeasing the slightly left of the party whilst maintaining the centre ground and fighting off the right wing parties. I hope they can find the balance before the next general election. It may need someone other than Starmer to do it though. A lot of noise around Andy Burnham at the moment. Would be a good choice for me but will take a while unless a good by election seat comes up for grabs.

I'm pretty sure Burnham will be PM by late 2027. Starmer is blowing it for his preferred successor Streeting. Powell getting Deputy Leader would be the first sign that the Pink Tories have properly lost their grip on the wheel.

Becoming an MP will be no sweat. With 400 of them, just natural attrition (deaths, ill health etc) will mean at least a couple of by-elections every year
 
Do you think all white people need to condemn Saville and Prince Andrew? And accept the issue is with white English men?
Ha brilliant.

I think there quite a fair amount of condemnation of saville and the lack of support for the whistleblowers and ultimately the bbc had to come out and fire people and apologise.

I think the issue lies with the gangs in itself. But by your comment you can see why there is distaste. But you wouldn’t be the first or the last to just say the obvious to anyone who sees it as a problem.

It would just be too easy to just say that it’s vile and the ratio of grooming gangs in that population is a serious correlation and raises concern.
 
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Ha brilliant.

I think there quite a fair amount of condemnation of saville and the lack of support for the whistleblowers and ultimately the bbc had to come out and fire people and apologise.

I think the issue lies with the gangs in itself. But by your comment you can see why there is distaste. But you wouldn’t be the first or the last to just say the obvious to anyone who sees it as a problem.

So any white man who hasn't said to you that Saville is a pedo who they condemn, are more likely to be pedos than the ones who have said it to you? That seems to be the standard you are demanding of me to absolve me of not being morr likely to be a groomer than others.

I think this is your point. Admittedly the above post is really poorly written so I'm not sure. Maybe your hand is shaking in internet rage lol.
 
So any white man who hasn't said to you that Saville is a pedo who they condemn, are more likely to be pedos than the ones who have said it to you? That seems to be the standard you are demanding of me to absolve me of not being morr likely to be a groomer than others.

I think this is your point. Admittedly the above post is really poorly written so I'm not sure. Maybe your hand is shaking in internet rage lol.
Ha very good. Not really, if I had a conversation with a person about it and was speaking to a white person usually I get “what a fudging nonce” vs talk to a Pakistani Muslim I usually get the same response that you have given.

Still can’t do it can you? there seems to be a problem in that community. It’s ok I’m not expecting a miracle …. Not that I believe in them.
 
Ha very good. Not really, if I had a conversation with a person about it and was speaking to a white person usually I get “what a fudging nonce” vs talk to a Pakistani Muslim I usually get the same response that you have given.

Still can’t do it can you? there seems to be a problem in that community. It’s ok I’m not expecting a miracle …. Not that I believe in them.

So if the person doesn't say nonce you think they are a nonce. Great way of imparting judgement. You are genuinely making zero sense here, except to people like Marky who lies and is not very bright.

And obviously I condemn groomers. I've spoken about it on this forum for the last 5 years extensively.

And I've spoken to bigots like you before. You all struggle with facts. You are no different.
 
Ha very good. Not really, if I had a conversation with a person about it and was speaking to a white person usually I get “what a fudging nonce” vs talk to a Pakistani Muslim I usually get the same response that you have given.

Still can’t do it can you? there seems to be a problem in that community. It’s ok I’m not expecting a miracle …. Not that I believe in them.

When you speak to Pakistani Muslims I doubt you have the bottle to demand they condemn gromming gangs. You absolute waffler lol. You have been radicalized online by Tommy. In real life people like you never engage.
 
So if the person doesn't say nonce you think they are a nonce. Great way of imparting judgement. You are genuinely making zero sense here, except to people like Marky who lies and is not very bright.

And obviously I condemn groomers. I've spoken about it on this forum for the last 5 years extensively.

And I've spoken to bigots like you before. You all struggle with facts. You are no different.
Oh no don’t play dumb with me genuinely. I think you can understand the point I’m making it’s very clear.

Took you some time when I asked the question. Had to draw it out of you.

Struggle with facts how about this as a fact …

Pakistanis up to four times more likely to be behind grooming, data reveals - National police scheme shares data on ‘group-based’ child sexual abuse that includes ethnic background of perpetrators”​


That’s from a government study … so I’m called a bigot because I actually read about things and not just throw out name calling. Enjoy your Sunday .
 
When you speak to Pakistani Muslims I doubt you have the bottle to demand they condemn gromming gangs. You absolute waffler lol. You have been radicalized online by Tommy. In real life people like you never engage.
Why would I need the bottle? Would they threaten me? Would they try to intimidate me? Surely not we are talking about the religion of peace here.

I know many many Pakistani people don’t you worry about that.

Of course that’s got to be the answer I’ve been radicalised. You are not very bright are you? Clueso.
 
Oh no don’t play dumb with me genuinely. I think you can understand the point I’m making it’s very clear.

Took you some time when I asked the question. Had to draw it out of you.

Struggle with facts how about this as a fact …

Pakistanis up to four times more likely to be behind grooming, data reveals - National police scheme shares data on ‘group-based’ child sexual abuse that includes ethnic background of perpetrators”​


That’s from a government study … so I’m called a bigot because I actually read about things and not just throw out name calling. Enjoy your Sunday .


Great. Now we have stats

The real numbers

"Figures from the police database show where ethnicity is recorded, that in the first three quarters of 2024 - 85% of group-based child abusers were white, while 3.9% were of Pakistani origin"

Now I can reference and provide all context for this data.

Can you reference what you claimed?
 
Oh no don’t play dumb with me genuinely. I think you can understand the point I’m making it’s very clear.

Took you some time when I asked the question. Had to draw it out of you.

Struggle with facts how about this as a fact …

Pakistanis up to four times more likely to be behind grooming, data reveals - National police scheme shares data on ‘group-based’ child sexual abuse that includes ethnic background of perpetrators”​


That’s from a government study … so I’m called a bigot because I actually read about things and not just throw out name calling. Enjoy your Sunday .
Can you share the link for that study? Genuinely interested as I believed recording of ethnicity was very sporadic in these (and other) cases.
 
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