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Danny Rose

Grays_1890 said:
He had one season under Sherwood where he was an ok player, its not a fallacy to say Poch turned him into a top quality player.
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He was excellent on loan at Sunderland. He was also a good player under Sherwood. Don't be fooled into thing that we can just get anyone and Pochettino can turn them into the best player in that position in the league. Rose has confidence, bravery, determination, good touch, pace, power, excellent ability to make the right runs at the right time. Just because he has spoken out against the club (thoughts that many fans share) it doesn't suddenly turn him into someone that we can click our fingers and replace with a player equally as good.
 
Finney Is Back said:
He credits Poch for helping him to improve. He wasn't a middle of the road player though, that is fallacy. He already had all of the attributes.... just needed polishing. Exactly the same as Ross Barkley does IMO.
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No other managers have managed to polish either of them. Maybe it's a lot more difficult than just polishing them.
 
scaramanga said:
No other managers have managed to polish either of them. Maybe it's a lot more difficult than just polishing them.
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Who was managing Sunderland at the time Rose went there?.... He had played only a few games at left back then and yet was considered their best player that season. So to say that no other managers have managed to polish Rose is, again, wrong.

Barkley is also already a good player. The chances he created at Everton last season are evidence of that.
 
Finney Is Back said:
Who was managing Sunderland at the time Rose went there?.... He had played only a few games at left back then and yet was considered their best player that season. So to say that no other managers have managed to polish Rose is, again, wrong.

Barkley is also already a good player. The chances he created at Everton last season are evidence of that.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012–13_Sunderland_A.F.C._season#Squad :D

I think I'd have been in the top 5.
 
I think the apology is garbage, the damage has already been done but if it saves Poch some grief in the presser today, then great.

There is a point that we need to strongly reinforce as a club though. All of these players are performing better than they ever have done in their careers and they have been awarded contract increases because of it. Rose was no where near the player he makes out he was in the interview before Poch. He was alright. No where near the best in the league though. Neither was Walker. Dier wasn't a 60M valued player. Eriksen was talented but inconsistent. Dele was a talented League 1 player.

Poch devised a system which got these players to perform above and beyond, and for them to have half a season of no wage increase and decide to kick up a fuss is bang out of order. If they believed in the club, and the plan, I'm pretty sure we would have to give them all wage increases once in the new stadium. I think we would have to do that, and if we didn't, then I'd be very critical of Levy. So I think we were asking the players to hold on for one more year, and then we would have been able to boost them up.

The point remains though, they are playing well because they are a team, and they play well together. Funny how none of them have looked near as good for England. They have to take something of a long term view and realise they were not title challengers before Poch. Inconsistent but talented players yes, title challengers? No.
 
Rose would have to be really dumb to be spokesman/shop steward and stand up there and say all that for the team. Why would you take all the flak?
And one voice carries little weight, if it was Toby, Dele and eriksen then levy would really would have had a problem.

He did on his own and for himself
 
Finney Is Back said:
Who was managing Sunderland at the time Rose went there?.... He had played only a few games at left back then and yet was considered their best player that season. So to say that no other managers have managed to polish Rose is, again, wrong.

Barkley is also already a good player. The chances he created at Everton last season are evidence of that.
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Rose also played well under AVB before he got some injury problems -- iirc he struggled for form after coming back from injury but got back on track in the end. A lot of people made their minds up about Rose and they were wrong. Now the narrative has changed to "Poch made him" but that isn't true either. Poch has improved him, but he was already a good player, on the way to becoming a very good one.
 
Finney Is Back said:
He was excellent on loan at Sunderland. He was also a good player under Sherwood. Don't be fooled into thing that we can just get anyone and Pochettino can turn them into the best player in that position in the league. Rose has confidence, bravery, determination, good touch, pace, power, excellent ability to make the right runs at the right time. Just because he has spoken out against the club (thoughts that many fans share) it doesn't suddenly turn him into someone that we can click our fingers and replace with a player equally as good.
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Right that is pretty condescending to say "don't be fooled" because where has anyone said Poch has made all players great? I fudging hate when people add brick to your point that you have not mentioned.

The overall point is has Rose' rise being so significant in the last year that warrants another pay rise? The rise last year was indicative of his progress in the previous two season, has he gone up such a level that he deserves more? I argue not. I would say his increases have been in line with his progression.

I never said he is replaceable, I know he is a hard replacement, so you have added that in at the end to add some value to your post.

Rose is taking a popular line that is self serving and not to the benefit of the club, someone made that point earlier and its nailed on, him trying to make himself out to be some kind of wolfie smith and other actually buying it is laughable.
 
Ben Pearce‏@BenPearceSpurs 32s33 seconds ago
#thfc Pochettino's forgiving Danny Rose: "In the moment he apologised, everyone’s moved on. For me it’s in the past." More to follow...
Dan Kilpatrick‏Verified account@Dan_KP 44s45 seconds ago
Poch says "frustrated" Danny Rose has a future at #thfc. 'Not a big issue, we move on. It's good for him [to apologise].'
Dan Kilpatrick‏Verified account@Dan_KP 43s44 seconds ago
#thfc Poch: "He signed a 5-yr contract last summer. It's not a problem for me. He's our player, he needs to be focussed to try to be fit."
 
nayenezgani said:
Hmm. Saying the right things, I think it'll be a tall order for Rose to get his starting spot back once fit.
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Will it? Davies is a decent full back but not in the same class and once the window is shut will be easier for him to get his head cleared. I think Poch would genuinely be ok with Rose once he apologised. Media Im sure will create some speculation now, but once window is shut and Rose is fit and playing this will soon be forgotten about (hopefully the fans will go easy on him)...
 
He will sit on the bench for a bit once fit. I hope he does anyway even though its detriment to the team as Rose is much better than Davies
 
One thing Rose has is a lot of fight -- if Poch has told him "you are going nowhere, I need you to play and we'll see about a payrise when we are in the new stadium" then I wouldn't expect anything other than for Rose to knuckle down, train hard and prove his worth. It also helps that it's a World Cup year.

So basically, he'll be sold next week haha.
 
See, I disagree somewhat with Rose about the stick he got off fans 3-4 years ago, to look at it as just abuse aimed at himself is very narrow minded. Our fans can be a miserable, unforgiving lot but the atmosphere back then was awful. We were a club in turmoil, getting turned over by the big boys with ease and looking an absolute joke. The fans were tinkled with the way half the players performed, Rose was not alone in being criticised.

He wasn't the finished article then either. He made mistakes and was caught out of position, making errors that did lead to goals. He wasn't getting England caps. Half this forum wanted him to be knocked back to #2 when Davies signed because they thought that Rose was the inferior player (I was amongst this group). Over the course of Poch's first season though, the mistakes dried up and he improved all aspects of his game. He was not the player he is today back then and the Danny Rose of today (at least the one in the papers), would likely have little patience with a young player making mistakes like he did today.
 
I can be quite vindictive when people show a lack of integrity, so at the moment I'd prefer Poch to brutally take Rose apart in the press conference. And refuse to sell him or play him for one whole season. Probably not in the best interests of the club though...
 
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