The Goon Thread

[Raziel]

every year people are quick to point of all these tactical flaws at Ar5ena1. and make them out to be massive errors in judgement by wenger. but if this were the case, why do the likes of us and liverpool find it so hard to overthrow them? barcelona didnt have a cm with "significant defensive ability". i didnt see them struggling too much. barcelona competed very well against teams in their financial bracket without this dcm. just like Ar5ena1 perform very well in their financial bracket too.

pedro, alexis, walcott, ox. theres really not much in it. it all comes down to which players will suit Ar5ena1's style best and fit in well. soldado can look a semi pro player at tottenham, but look a world beater at the right club. you're underestimating the importance of a player being at the right club for himself.

their squad depth in attacking midfield is fine. tbh their squad depth in general is world class.

no doubt they can compete if they want to. but i dont think kroenke has any need for a life insurance policy atm.

Mate, lets be clear, even mentioning them in the same sentence as Barcelona is embarrassing, so lets not do that.

- their depth in attacking midfield is fine, their depth in defensive midfield = no, defense = no , attack (1 striker) is a joke mate
- Actually Arsenal struggles repeatedly in cups against teams much poorer than them from a fiscal perspective (the point the Scum fan in the rant above makes), additionally over the last 5 or so years the point gap between us and them (and our fiscal budget is less than 50% of theirs) is much closer than between them and the PL winners (which their budget is actually closer to).

Are they well run fiscally? = yes
Have they been able to do "just enough" to hold their position? = yes
Are they fleecing the brick out of their fans and providing nothing but lip service to ambition = yes

Lets compare to Spurs for a second

- Do we struggle to compete fiscally = yes
- do we have a 100M+ surplus to try to make that next step? = no
- do we have some kind of plan to change that in next 5 years? = yes, stadium, NFL, US investments, area regeneration, etc.

Scum

- Do they struggle to compete financially = yes, but margin is much smaller (their wages are almost on par)
- Do they have a 100M+ surplus to try and make that next step? = yes, they choose not to use (you call it business risk or whatever you want)
- Do they have some kind of plan to change that in the next 5 years? = absolutely not

As I said, they have made a business choice, you may argue that its smart, but the truth is they charge like a club that wants to be ambitious, they talk like a club that wants to be ambitious but in no way do they act like a club that wants to be ambitious.

 

[Neymar]

Mate, lets be clear, even mentioning them in the same sentence as Barcelona is embarrassing,

ok ,lets not talk about how your theory of needing a tough tackling, big chested, loud mouthed dcm is wrong.

so lets not do that.

- their depth in attacking midfield is fine, their depth in defensive midfield = no, defense = no , attack (1 striker) is a joke mate

if they dont have a defense or a dcm, how comes they do as well as their financial outlay dictates that they should do? and they have 3 strikers. walcott, giroud, welbeck. theres a good argument that all three are better than any of ours.

- Actually Ar5ena1 struggles repeatedly in cups against teams much poorer than them from a fiscal perspective (the point the Scum fan in the rant above makes), additionally over the last 5 or so years the point gap between us and them (and our fiscal budget is less than 50% of theirs) is much closer than between them and the PL winners (which their budget is actually closer to).

they struggle so much that theyve won the last 2 fa cups lol. in all seriousness, only 1 team can win the cup. that means that naturally there are going to be upsets. look at some of the teams that have knocked out mancity in the cups in recent years.

the gap between us(+liverpool) and them - this is actually evidence of what a great job wenger has done. he has done so well that, us and liverpool are not going to overtake them any time soon. wenger's success has actually created a gap in their finances to us, and this is something that he doesnt get anywhere near enough credit for.

Are they well run fiscally? = yes
Have they been able to do "just enough" to hold their position? = yes
Are they fleecing the **** out of their fans and providing nothing but lip service to ambition = yes

look at how much arsenal are worth as a business, and look at their annual p&l accounts. trust me, its hardly the definition of fleecing. they may not be subsidising the fans like abramovic or mansour does, but then theres no reason why they should.

- do we have some kind of plan to change that in next 5 years? = yes, stadium, NFL, US investments, area regeneration, etc.

and do you really think that plan is going to take us above arsenal, city, chelsea or utd?
i know the truth hurts, but the spiel levy gives about "a new stdium", "nfl" etc etc is exactly the same bs as arsenal are feeding their fans. before, ffp collapsed, both levy and wenger were big on that. feeding us fans with the dream that we could compete with ffp. but now thats gone, they are selling us another false dream.

As I said, they have made a business choice, you may argue that its smart, but the truth is they charge like a club that wants to be ambitious, they talk like a club that wants to be ambitious but in no way do they act like a club that wants to be ambitious.

take away the two clubs that are willing to spend more than whatever the next biggest spends, arsenal are the second biggest team in england. you dont get to that position if you lack ambition as a club.

 

[Raziel]

ok ,lets not talk about how your theory of needing a tough tackling, big chested, loud mouthed dcm is wrong.

if they dont have a defense or a dcm, how comes they do as well as their financial outlay dictates that they should do? and they have 3 strikers. walcott, giroud, welbeck. theres a good argument that all three are better than any of ours.

they struggle so much that theyve won the last 2 fa cups lol. in all seriousness, only 1 team can win the cup. that means that naturally there are going to be upsets. look at some of the teams that have knocked out mancity in the cups in recent years.

the gap between us(+liverpool) and them - this is actually evidence of what a great job wenger has done. he has done so well that, us and liverpool are not going to overtake them any time soon. wenger's success has actually created a gap in their finances to us, and this is something that he doesnt get anywhere near enough credit for.


look at how much Ar5ena1 are worth as a business, and look at their annual p&l accounts. trust me, its hardly the definition of fleecing. they may not be subsidising the fans like abramovic or mansour does, but then theres no reason why they should.

and do you really think that plan is going to take us above Ar5ena1, city, Chel53a or utd?
i know the truth hurts, but the spiel levy gives about "a new stdium", "nfl" etc etc is exactly the same bs as Ar5ena1 are feeding their fans. before, ffp collapsed, both levy and wenger were big on that. feeding us fans with the dream that we could compete with ffp. but now thats gone, they are selling us another false dream.

take away the two clubs that are willing to spend more than whatever the next biggest spends, Ar5ena1 are the second biggest team in england. you dont get to that position if you lack ambition as a club.

Mate, take off the Wenger glasses for just a minute

- You may not need a DM if you have Neymar, Messi & Saurez in your front line, surely you are not suggesting the Scum have anything near that level of players?

- First 8 years = 7 trophies, next 8 years = 2, yes relative to previous position they are struggling (league position also lower)

- What? in 2004 the Scum were 45 points ahead of us, last year was our worst in term of gap to them in 5+ years at 11 points, at times its been 1 point, that's progress?

- They charge the highest price in the league, while producing an operating profit in 10s of millions and delivering the 4th best product, not fleecing? ok mate ..

- Yes, I believe the Stadium +NFL deal +new sponsorship will close the gap, not saying it will guarantee anything, but we are trying, they are happy with status quo.

- Take away the 2 money doping clubs and we are a CL club for last 6 years .. oh .. that's not how it works does it? Scum are the 4th biggest club, and they got to that position by political maneuvering (Dein in FA) and by a massive stroke of luck, lets be clear, today's top clubs (outside of Cheat$ki/City) are there because their upturn/cycle of fortune happened to coincide with the timing of the creation of the EPL and the money influx that brought to the top at the time, add the CL cycle and "poof" new era of dominance.

Its all about criteria of success (not opinion)

- If as is likely, Wenger's criteria of success if to deliver a CL spot, never challenge for CL or PL, deliver an occasional domestic cup, then he's doing a fudging fantastic job.
- If as a fan of the club, you expect Arsenal to attempt to have the relevance to the title race that they did 7 years ago, to expect that they will get beyond the first knockout round in CL and legitimately try to improve their rank in the current top 4 = not soo much, less points, worse league positions, less trophies, less gap between them and their rivals (us) as a trend over last 6-8 years as versus the exact same time period before.

There is a truth in business, trying to just hold on to what you have is often a long term path to failure.

 

[Neymar]

Mate, take off the Wenger glasses for just a minute

- You may not need a DM if you have Neymar, Messi & Saurez in your front line, surely you are not suggesting the Scum have anything near that level of players?

if you have the likes of messi, neymar and suarez you will finish first a lot of times whether you have a tough tackling dcm or not. if you have the likes of ozil, alexis, walcott, giroud you will finish around 3-4 in the pl whther you have a dcm or not.

arsenals league finishes have little to do with the types of player they have, but more to do with the actual quality of them (just likes everyone else in the league).

- First 8 years = 7 trophies, next 8 years = 2, yes relative to previous position they are struggling (league position also lower)

overacheived first 8 years. abramovic and mansour came along in the next 8. thats how simple the analysis of arsenal in the last 15 years should be. but people seem insistent on overcomplicating it by talking crap about transfer activity and tactics etc

- What? in 2004 the Scum were 45 points ahead of us, last year was our worst in term of gap to them in 5+ years at 11 points, at times its been 1 point, that's progress?

lol what a ridiculous argument. i hope you can see why this is bs.

- They charge the highest price in the league, while producing an operating profit in 10s of millions and delivering the 4th best product, not fleecing? ok mate ..

some years they seem to be making losses. they charge the highest prices because the product they deliver is worth it. i remember reading that they have an endless list of people wanting a season ticket ; ie. the prices are more than worth it.

- Yes, I believe the Stadium +NFL deal +new sponsorship will close the gap, not saying it will guarantee anything, but we are trying, they are happy with status quo.

how do you know they are happy? how many times have you seen wenger look devasted on the touchline? he obviously wants to do better.

- Take away the 2 money doping clubs and we are a CL club for last 6 years .. oh .. that's not how it works does it?

never said it did. but it explains why we havent been in the top 4 more often.

Scum are the 4th biggest club, and they got to that position by political maneuvering (Dein in FA) and by a massive stroke of luck, lets be clear, today's top clubs (outside of Cheat$ki/City) are there because their upturn/cycle of fortune happened to coincide with the timing of the creation of the EPL and the money influx that brought to the top at the time, add the CL cycle and "poof" new era of dominance.

you make a decent point here. but dont forget that liverpool were spending more in wages and transfer fees than arsenal during the first part of wenger's reign. but because of wenger's success during that period, arsenal have now become the financially more prominent club. arsenal being in their current position (of being the best of the rest) is massively down to wenger.

Its all about criteria of success (not opinion)

- If as is likely, Wenger's criteria of success if to deliver a CL spot, never challenge for CL or PL, deliver an occasional domestic cup, then he's doing a fudgeing fantastic job.

yep, im sure it says dont challenge for a pl spot in his contract.

There is a truth in business, trying to just hold on to what you have is often a long term path to failure.

ill give you another one. if kroenke wants to lose money, one way to do it is by getting arsenal competitive with the likes of city, chelsea and utd.

 

[glorygloryeze]

if you have the likes of messi, neymar and suarez you will finish first a lot of times whether you have a tough tackling dcm or not. if you have the likes of ozil, alexis, walcott, giroud you will finish around 3-4 in the pl whther you have a dcm or not.

arsenals league finishes have little to do with the types of player they have, but more to do with the actual quality of them (just likes everyone else in the league).

This quote sums up your goggle-eyed view of Arsenal and Wenger in a nushell.
So it seems when the likes of Ozil and Alexis play for Real or Barcelona they are destined to finish 1st no matter what; however, when those same players are actually bought by Arsenal they are destined to finish 3rd/4th no matter what.

So when Ozil and Alexis play for Real and Barca they are top 2 quality; when they are signed by Wenger in your mind they automatically become only top 3/4 quality.

This is bending logic and performance review methodology to an almost ingenious level that even Wenger in his "i didn't see the incident" moments would be extremely proud of - Hilarious!

 

[Neymar]

This quote sums up your goggle-eyed view of Ar5ena1 and Wenger in a nushell.
So it seems when the likes of Ozil and Alexis play for Real or Barcelona they are destined to finish 1st no matter what; however, when those same players are actually bought by Ar5ena1 they are destined to finish 3rd/4th no matter what.

So when Ozil and Alexis play for Real and Barca they are top 2 quality; when they are signed by Wenger in your mind they automatically become only top 3/4 quality.

This is bending logic and performance review methodology to an almost ingenious level that even Wenger in his "i didn't see the incident" moments would be extremely proud of - Hilarious!

when ozil and alexis are partnered with the likes of messi, ronaldo, neymar, suarez, they are top 2 quality. when they are partnered with the likes of walcott and giroud, surely its understandable that they wont quite be at the same level. the core of the arsenal team are still not quite top 2 quality.

also theres a reason ozil and alexis ended up at arsenal and not messi, suarez or neymar

like when we had bale. he cant help it if the core of our team is still not genuinely top 4 quality.

 

[glorygloryeze]

when ozil and alexis are partnered with the likes of messi, ronaldo, neymar, suarez, they are top 2 quality. when they are partnered with the likes of walcott and giroud, surely its understandable that they wont quite be at the same level

That can then work for ALL clubs then, surely?
I mean Pedro has joined Chelski: does he become a lower-level player now because he isn't playing alongside the same quality of players now, or does he elevate Chelski as a whole because of his individual quality?

 

[Neymar]

That can then work for ALL clubs then, surely?
I mean Pedro has joined Chelski: does he become a lower-level player now because he isn't playing alongside the same quality of players now, or does he elevate Chelski as a whole because of his individual quality?

no. what it means is that one or two players dont make a signficant difference. what makes a difference is having many players of a higher quality who work well together. arsenal need to revamp a large part of their team if they want to get closer to the top teams (domestically and in europe). and if they were to do this, they will no longer be a profitable business.

this is why even after we keep losing the likes of bale, modric, keane, berba etc, we're still at a similar level to when we had them. now, if we could keep them all together, that would be a different matter. but with or without them individually, we not signficantly better or worse. if arsenal add a top top player like pedro, they still wont be much better than they are. the bookies would still have them at around 10-15% to win the league.

 

[glorygloryeze]

no. what it means is that one or two players dont make a signficant difference. what makes a difference is having many players of a higher quality who work well together. Ar5ena1 need to revamp a large part of their team if they want to get closer to the top teams (domestically and in europe). and if they were to do this, they will no longer be a profitable business.

Ok, tell me: in your opinion, which parts of their team need such a revamp and which parts do not?

 

[Neymar]

indivudally all the arsenal first squad members are capable of playing for the very best teams in the world.

the "problem" is, as a group, they are the 3rd/4th best team in england (and probably 8-10th in europe). you could add one or two better players but theres no garuntee that they will do well. furthermore, theres also a good chance that players who are currently doing well will get worse if additions are made. thus negating the benefits of a new signing.

scholes, lampard and gerrard for example. three worldclass players. but they just dont work well together. arsenal have a team that works relatively well together. and big name signings could unbalance them. for arsenal to get to the next level, they need to be able to do what man utd are currently in the process of doing. buy numerous top top players and find out which combinations of these top top players works for them. and then be able to afford to lose big money on players that they discover dont work well in their system. they need to be able to overhaul a relatively large part of their squad and be ok with losing millions.

teams like arsenal cant afford to really do this. and teams like us and liverpool definitely cant. thats why even when we spent 100m, i was pretty sure that we would still be in a massive fight to make top 4. the way we spread that 100m was done in a way where we couldnt lose too much money if some of the signings didnt come off. the biggest individual transfer was like 30-35m and im sure no-ones wages exeeded 100k. if we wanted to get to the next level, we needed far more than 100m. and we need to be able to spend 35m+ on a number of players and give them 100-150k. we didnt do this (and couldnt afford to either). which is why brendon rodgers' comments were idiotic to say the least.

if arsenal want to get to the next level, they need to be able to make 6/7 signings like ozil/alexis in the next 3/4 windows, and also make a few more signings at the 15-20m range with 100k wages in the same period.

 

[glorygloryeze]

indivudally all the Ar5ena1 first squad members are capable of playing for the very best teams in the world.

Well, that is the building block of being able to form one of "the very best teams"

the "problem" is, as a group, they are the 3rd/4th best team in england (and probably 8-10th in europe). you could add one or two better players but theres no garuntee that they will do well. furthermore, theres also a good chance that players who are currently doing well will get worse if additions are made. thus negating the benefits of a new signing.

That could be said of ANY good team that is trying to get better and is a simple Wengerite cop-out statement. Imagine if Barca, Atletico Madrid, Dotmund et al said "we better not add one or two better players as there's a good chance that the payers doing well currently might get worse." Even Arsenal don't think this - as their transfer history mostly shows, especially recently. You are apologising for Wenger and Arsenal's lack of courage and acceptance of finishing top 4 to collect money form the CL every year to bolster the ability to continue to do so, whilst actually getting worse in that competition and not actually wanting to challenge for a title like they used to....long may that continue though!

scholes, lampard and gerrard for example. three worldclass players. but they just dont work well together. Ar5ena1 have a team that works relatively well together. and big name signings could unbalance them. for Ar5ena1 to get to the next level, they need to be able to do what man utd are currently in the process of doing. buy numerous top top players and find out which combinations of these top top players works for them. and then be able to afford to lose big money on players that they discover dont work well in their system. they need to be able to overhaul a relatively large part of their squad and be ok with losing millions.

Using Scholes, Lampard and Gerrard in your example is silly given that the Engkand national team (like any national) team has limitations of talent pool restricted to nationality; a restriction not suffered in club football where the ability to transfer players from across the globe coupled with good coaching can and SHOULD overcome such issues of whether top players can work well together. Arsenal have the resources to do what you suggest they need to (and actually with their relative stability and cash-rich status they don't need to be as drastic). How about just buying in an area that needs upgrading, such as DCM or the top central striking position? If they could upgrade their goalkeeper they can easily do that. Or do you subscriibe to the myth that "they couldn't find the quality in the market"? Especially, with their cash-rich status?

teams like Ar5ena1 cant afford to really do this. and teams like us and liverpool definitely cant. thats why even when we spent 100m, i was pretty sure that we would still be in a massive fight to make top 4. the way we spread that 100m was done in a way where we couldnt lose too much money if some of the signings didnt come off. the biggest individual transfer was like 30-35m and im sure no-ones wages exeeded 100k. if we wanted to get to the next level, we needed far more than 100m. and we need to be able to spend 35m+ on a number of players and give them 100-150k. we didnt do this (and couldnt afford to either). which is why brendon rodgers' comments were idiotic to say the least.

"Teams like Arsenal" CAN afford to do this now; you roll out that line as though they are still paupers. They can spend more than they are doing right now, still challenge AND not go massively in the red due to their stadium. You're not really about to say the stadium and its revenue streams coupled to their years of earning CL money means they are still paupers are you?? The fact you keep mentioning us in the same breath, shows how you are continually trying to downplay their financial clout comapred to us; fact is there is NO comparison between us when it comes to financial power. Liverpool can probably be more fairly compared with Arsenal and Liverpool are underachieving.

if Ar5ena1 want to get to the next level, they need to be able to make 6/7 signings like ozil/alexis in the next 3/4 windows, and also make a few more signings at the 15-20m range with 100k wages in the same period.

No, they need a better more pro-active transfer strategy and better coaching and tactics. The money is there to add the gloss and finish to really compete once that happens.

 

[Neymar]

That could be said of ANY good team that is trying to get better and is a simple Wengerite cop-out statement. Imagine if Barca, Atletico Madrid, Dotmund et al said "we better not add one or two better players as there's a good chance that the payers doing well currently might get worse." Even Ar5ena1 don't think this - as their transfer history mostly shows, especially recently. You are apologising for Wenger and Ar5ena1's lack of courage and acceptance of finishing top 4 to collect money form the CL every year to bolster the ability to continue to do so, whilst actually getting worse in that competition and not actually wanting to challenge for a title like they used to....long may that continue though!

arsenal do add players. they have added many over the past couple years. ozil, debuchy, alexis, cech, welbeck etc. but there is no need for them to spend crazily on a couple of players because they wont really increase their chances of winning something if they do. hence, they are best of continuing with their current transfer strategy of only buying where they see "value".

Using Scholes, Lampard and Gerrard in your example is silly given that the Engkand national team (like any national) team has limitations of talent pool restricted to nationality; a restriction not suffered in club football where the ability to transfer players from across the globe coupled with good coaching can and SHOULD overcome such issues of whether top players can work well together. Ar5ena1 have the resources to do what you suggest they need to (and actually with their relative stability and cash-rich status they don't need to be as drastic). How about just buying in an area that needs upgrading, such as DCM or the top central striking position? If they could upgrade their goalkeeper they can easily do that. Or do you subscriibe to the myth that "they couldn't find the quality in the market"? Especially, with their cash-rich status?

i was using the england example to show why simply putting a bunch of worldclass players isnt always a good idea. in fact, i am saying arsenal are a team that do work well together. and thats why they should be hesitant to buy players just for buyings sake. in a window where an unknown teenager wasa sold for around 50m, do you really think it was easy that for arsenal to add a top striker?

rumour has it psg wanted around 50m for cavani. given arsenal already have strikers of the calibre of giroud, walcott, welbeck, i can fully understand why they didnt pull the trigger on the likes of cavani.

"Teams like Ar5ena1" CAN afford to do this now; you roll out that line as though they are still paupers. They can spend more than they are doing right now, still challenge AND not go massively in the red due to their stadium. You're not really about to say the stadium and its revenue streams coupled to their years of earning CL money means they are still paupers are you?? The fact you keep mentioning us in the same breath, shows how you are continually trying to downplay their financial clout comapred to us; fact is there is NO comparison between us when it comes to financial power. Liverpool can probably be more fairly compared with Ar5ena1 and Liverpool are underachieving.

anyone can afford anything. if levy's life depended on it, we could probably afford messi. but the thing is, arsenal are probably in a "sweet spot" in terms of maximising their value as a business. hence why they cant "afford" to deviate too much from their current transfer policy.

No, they need a better more pro-active transfer strategy and better coaching and tactics. The money is there to add the gloss and finish to really compete once that happens.

no. if man utd, chelsea and city didnt exist you would probably be praising wenger for his coaching and tactics. basically, people always think whoever wins has "good coaching and tactics". the truth is, the teams that usually wins has a lot more money than the rest. arsenal's coaching and tactics are fine. thats why they finish above the teams they spend more than and below the teams they spend less than. its funny how football fans really struggle with this concept

 

[Baleforce]

I pretty much agree with Neymar, they have the odd diamond but they can't afford a squad of the level it takes to win the PL, yeah it could happen if multiple others fudge up but spending big and relying on the failures of other is not a sound business plan.

 

[milo]

when ozil and alexis are partnered with the likes of messi, ronaldo, neymar, suarez, they are top 2 quality. when they are partnered with the likes of walcott and giroud, surely its understandable that they wont quite be at the same level. the core of the Ar5ena1 team are still not quite top 2 quality.

also theres a reason ozil and alexis ended up at Ar5ena1 and not messi, suarez or neymar

like when we had bale. he cant help it if the core of our team is still not genuinely top 4 quality.

I think that Arsenal have the third best team in the league and if one of Chelsea or City slip up they should be looking to finish second.

 

[Gazzasrightboot]

A very interesting read!

A couple of points from me:

- Barcelona do have a DM and his name is Busquets;
- Their finances show they have £208m in cash, £200+m of debt and are making a profit of 2014: £5m - 2013: £6.7m - 2012: £37m - 2011: £15m and £56m in 2010;
- The bulk of their debt is not due for payment for more than 5 years;
- In my opinion, I would be expecting them to finish on average 3-4 but to be more competitive in the league than they are. I think the 2 FA Cup victories have eased the pressure somewhat but really they should be challenging and actually with the continuity of "philosophy" and manager they should be doing better than the chopping and changing of the others. Look at the Ferguson effect on Man United in his last season with the quality at his disposal.

I think they have the financial resources to really improve their squad and the thing is that they are choosing not to as Raz suggests. They could afford a £30m-£50m net spend each year without it having that much of an affect on their finances given that they're not saving for stadium themselves. I think Neymar mentioned that it was because of Wenger's success early on that gave them the financial footing. I think there is some merit there, but finances were not as impactful in that era as they are now. What I mean by that is that the phenomena of rich oligarchs etc... had not come in and changed the game so it was possible for even clubs like us to make some quite decent signings (Klinsmann) whereas now it is a different kettle of fish. Their stadium has been the huge boon to their financial footing. It generates a lot of money for them.

If I were an Arsenal fan, I'd feel like @DubaiSpur and @LCLC do about our club now, but I'd be right . They can afford to spend big, but are choosing not to. They could get rid of a lot of dross and replace with better, but that does not seem to be what they are going for. They're in a catch 22 situation in that Wenger is guaranteeing them top 4 and some cup runs, but nothing else in terms of EPL and CL. He seems incapable of getting them there. Get rid of him and there's no guarantees that whoever replaces him will do better and they could do a Man United and drop out of the top 4 altogether and need huge sums to dig them out. My guess is that they will continue as they are for as long as Wenger is interested in doing so and building that cash pile so that when the time comes, they will be able to back the new manager with a huge transfer chest that could be a real game changer for them.

 

[Jordinho]

https://twitter.com/x/status/643746341508792320

 

[Gazzasrightboot]

https://twitter.com/x/status/643746341508792320

Whilst I would not wish injuries on any professional footballer, if it had to happen, Wheelchair is one player who I would not mind ever seeing again.

 

[Baleforce]

injury "blow"

even the telegraph are having a veiled pop

 

[scaramanga]

injury "blow"

even the telegraph are having a veiled pop

Is the metal plate in his leg where he'll store all the clean tinkle bottles?

 

[vkn17]

Couldn't have happened to a nicer, more genuine and sincere bloke.