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Must admit that I was very disappointed with Poch today. Totally in control and without doubt his decision to take Mason off cost us the game.
had he stayed on we still would have conceded....
Must admit that I was very disappointed with Poch today. Totally in control and without doubt his decision to take Mason off cost us the game.
Hope you're right, hope Poche fixes this - but we will quickly find that momentum is all. If we had a W, mentality is completely different. Poche has to know how to change things up, we cannot as someone wrote just go backs to the wall. In Arry's day, we defended by continuously attacking, taking the pressure off our back line. Today it was sadly familiar and startling, to see how we caved after the pen and finished a game.we were very good for an hour, we are not a finished unit yet, no knee jerking from me this early in the season
Are people really calling Poch into question? We're two games in!? We knew it wouldn't be plain sailing with this team.
The truth is the gap between us and the pack has been eroded to the point where im not sure if it even exists anymore.
Its going to be a tough season: we've gone down the youth route and this is what happens; man utd bring on Schweinsteiger to see out games, we bring on the likes of alli and bentaleb. its the way it is. we have a stadium to fund, and a philosophy to stick with. We need stability and time. I'm not happy with conceding midfield today, but there were positives, and we have no other choice that i can see but to stick with what we are doing.
People need to calm down a little.
fudge me that was dreadful. Lets be honest, we should've gone in at half-time 3-4 goals up and Stoke looking absolutely crushed. The second half we had the 50-60 period where again we squandered good positions, poor decisions costing us and Butland making that save. We took Kane off, lost our ability to hold on to the ball, but more over we stopped trying to play the ball out from the back. First half we knocked it around them for fun, never panicked, second half we went straight to the defenders who had to lump it. I don't think we pressed Stoke anywhere near as well as we did UTD last week either. We gave this up.
I wasn't too fussed to see us try to hit on the counter, but without anyone able to actually counter with pace in the side, we never looked too threatening. It's fine saying "we aren't Chel53a" but at some stage we will have to learn to defend a lead properly. We did it under Redknapp when for years under other coaches we looked incapable of it.
we do need to learn how to defend properly and see it out, i totally agree. however, that doesnt mean just abandoning midfield from 60 minutes on and hacking the ball forwards with no composure: thats what league two teams do who are leading in the cup: backs to the wall, michael dawsons your man type defending. i dont think thats what we should be doing. and thats exactly what we did.fudge me that was dreadful. Lets be honest, we should've gone in at half-time 3-4 goals up and Stoke looking absolutely crushed. The second half we had the 50-60 period where again we squandered good positions, poor decisions costing us and Butland making that save. We took Kane off, lost our ability to hold on to the ball, but more over we stopped trying to play the ball out from the back. First half we knocked it around them for fun, never panicked, second half we went straight to the defenders who had to lump it. I don't think we pressed Stoke anywhere near as well as we did UTD last week either. We gave this up.
I wasn't too fussed to see us try to hit on the counter, but without anyone able to actually counter with pace in the side, we never looked too threatening. It's fine saying "we aren't Chel53a" but at some stage we will have to learn to defend a lead properly. We did it under Redknapp when for years under other coaches we looked incapable of it.
we werent lumping it, we were looking to, and succeeding in, getting in behind them. they werent aimless lumps, it was a breath of fresh air if you ask me.we lumped it a lot in the first half too......
absolutely, but thats all it was, a brick day at the office. you dont rip up 15 months of hard work and planning based on 35 minutes. you learn and move on.**** day at the office for him ... no question ...
I think when you have a team that is dominating and could easily be 3-4 up and you end up drawing and almost losing, you have to call out the coach. Brilliant setup in the first half and mistakes in the second. Part of the learning experience for Poch and I hope we'll see better decisions in the future.Are people really calling Poch into question? We're two games in!? We knew it wouldn't be plain sailing with this team.
The truth is the gap between us and the pack has been eroded to the point where im not sure if it even exists anymore.
Its going to be a tough season: we've gone down the youth route and this is what happens; man utd bring on Schweinsteiger to see out games, we bring on the likes of alli and bentaleb. its the way it is. we have a stadium to fund, and a philosophy to stick with. We need stability and time. I'm not happy with conceding midfield today, but there were positives, and we have no other choice that i can see but to stick with what we are doing.
People need to calm down a little.
we werent lumping it, we were looking to, and succeeding in, getting in behind them. they werent aimless lumps, it was a breath of fresh air if you ask me.
Been saying this all summer and all last year and still no where near sorted any issues .What a f***** up match but so many home truths..
Lose Kane to an injury and we may as well fold up unless a decent striker is bought
Poch is no tactician; outwitted by Hughes; actually taken to the cleaners... He needed to bring on Alli when Kane was injured, move Dembele to the right and move Dier to shift to three at the back
Lamela is simply hopeless - anyone who even has an ember of hope for this fudging idiot really needs his head examined
WE NEED A DEFENSIVE MIDFIELDER and f*** the double pivot
Bentaleb needs a long spell on the bench
This is going to be a difficult season... top 4? with the lack of leadership, top 10 more likely!
I agree. The second half was very strange and came out of the blue really. Although, based on last season, I'm sure most people would have thought bentaleb would be the right player (or the best of those available) to help shore things up.I think when you have a team that is dominating and could easily be 3-4 up and you end up drawing and almost losing, you have to call out the coach. Brilliant setup in the first half and mistakes in the second. Part of the learning experience for Poch and I hope we'll see better decisions in the future.