Paulinho

[Gutter Boy]

Re: Official MKII- Paulinho

That midfield looks very unappealing, hope Nabil isn't just tossed away because he didn't come from Brazil with a big price tag, he's very talented. Also Jay Rod played left all season but that's a minor point.

I like Bentaleb, but he needs a lower prem loan next season - like happened with Walker and Townsend. He's got quality, but not game craft.

 

[Gutter Boy]

Re: Official MKII- Paulinho

Put Sigurdsson, or heck even Chadli in that position instead of Paulinho. Seriously, would we be any worse off?

At this point in time, probably not. But I think Paulinho has by some distance the highest ceiling, so is worth persisting with for at least 12 months.

 

[indianspur]

Re: Official MKII- Paulinho

How many foreign player have had a difficult first season then gone on to great things once they've acclimatised? Henry being the most famous example.

I want to see what he can do after some rest and with a manager who can instil confidence and give him a role in an organised system. A new arrival is probably going to have a difficult first year too, and we'll be back at this point in a year's time. One of the reasons Poch was appointed was to bring organic growth rather than buy in success - lets see him earn his money.

Many foreign players also have average first seasons and things never improve after. They don't have to be foreign either, I was talking about signings in general. Not every single one is a success

I can say with 100% confidence that not all of our 7 signings from last summer will be a success. We will be lucky if we have 3 or 4 that succeed, very very lucky.

 

[Rossi22]

Re: Official MKII- Paulinho

I'm pretty confident Eriksen, Chiriches and Lamela will succeed. The other four not so much. I think Soldado is the most talented of the four but unlikely to succeed in this league, Capoue probably the most likely if he can get a decent run.

 

[camspur]

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He needs a manager who believes in him and will know how to get the best out of him.

If Poch can make Cork look semi-decent, I'm sure he could do something with Paulinho.

Big Phil obviously believes in him as he's been starting nearly all of Brazil's games but still hasn't performed sio I'd disagree with you. Paulinho flatters to deceive a bit like the bird on a Friday night who after a few beers looks like a page 3 model and you wake up and realise she's more like a model T ford.

 

[camspur]

Re: Official MKII- Paulinho

I like Bentaleb, but he needs a lower prem loan next season - like happened with Walker and Townsend. He's got quality, but not game craft.

Not sure what a lower prem loan would do for him he's learnt his craft at Spurs and now has a WC behind him as well. And in each and every game outperformed Paulinho.

 

[Mumorn]

Re: Official MKII- Paulinho

Big Phil obviously believes in him as he's been starting nearly all of Brazil's games but still hasn't performed sio I'd disagree with you. Paulinho flatters to deceive a bit like the bird on a Friday night who after a few beers looks like a page 3 model and you wake up and realise she's more like a model T ford.

No where near the same.

 

[indianspur]

Re: Official MKII- Paulinho

How many years did we wait for Jenas to fulfil some potential. Box to box, high energy, ability to score goals, all in an ideal world but the majority of the time all we got was meh performances

We finally managed to see sense and got rid, and simply replaced him with the Brazilian version. I actually don't think we will ever get rid of Paulinho

 

[Rossi22]

Re: Official MKII- Paulinho

How many years did we wait for Jenas to fulfil some potential. Box to box, high energy, ability to score goals, all in an ideal world but the majority of the time all we got was meh performances

We finally managed to see sense and got rid, and simply replaced him with the Brazilian version. I actually don't think we will ever get rid of Paulinho

Jenas was actually better too.

 

[veron23]

Re: Official MKII- Paulinho

My concern with that would be the lack of mobility/link between the back 6 and the front 4.

Poch's system last year was to have one DM (Wanyama) and one deep ballplayer (Schneiderlin) in his two. But instead of having his #10 central of the three, he played him on the left (Lallana) and had a Paulinho-esque player in the middle of the three (Davis).

If we did replicate Soton's system, the closest fit we'd have would be:


------Eriksen----------------------Lamela
------------------Paulinho

-------------Sandro---Capoue


------Lallana----------------------Rodriguez
---------------------Davis

------------Wanyama---Schneiderlin

100% correct

Ive said in many posts Pochettino will turn Paulinho into our version of Frank Lampard. He deserves a chance

 

[veron23]

Re: Official MKII- Paulinho

How many years did we wait for Jenas to fulfil some potential. Box to box, high energy, ability to score goals, all in an ideal world but the majority of the time all we got was meh performances

We finally managed to see sense and got rid, and simply replaced him with the Brazilian version. I actually don't think we will ever get rid of Paulinho

Jenas is more comparable to Dembele than Paulinho. All the ability in the world but no brains.
Plus Jenas (Like Paulinho) is played in ways/formations that doesn't support his attributes. If he stays under Pochettino you will be pleasantly surprised.

(I remember when we were first linked to Jenas, one of my best memories - it was the catalyst many things in hindsight)

 

[Kingdawson]

Re: Official MKII- Paulinho

20m ? Pleaseeee leave.

 

[scaramanga]

Re: Official MKII- Paulinho

Isn't that another myth? Henry scored 26 goals(17 league) in his first season with Arsenal. The thing with Paulinho is at no point have I seen a great deal of talent in him, even during his "high point" of the confederations cup I thought he looked bang average, everything about him is so laboured and limited. I've never seen a central midfielder so uninvolved in the game, all he's there for his to jog around and hope to pick up the scraps in the box but even then his finishing is hardly clinical. Add all of that onto his laziness off the ball and cowardly ducking out of challenges and shots(West Ham), I really struggle to see anything in him. The thought of getting £20m for him blows my mind.

If your biggest fears are a player being uninvolved, lazy, having poor finishing and cowardly ducking out of shots, I think we need to concern ourselves with his partner in cowardice first.

He's all of those things but worse and costs a significant amount more in wages too.

 

[Rossi22]

Re: Official MKII- Paulinho

If your biggest fears are a player being uninvolved, lazy, having poor finishing and cowardly ducking out of shots, I think we need to concern ourselves with his partner in cowardice first.

He's all of those things but worse and costs a significant amount more in wages too.

He's quite obviously not.

 

[WhoopWhoop]

Re: Official MKII- Paulinho

Totally agree with whoever said him performing at confed cup was a myth remember us being linked so watching him and not being impressed in slightest

 

[scaramanga]

Re: Official MKII- Paulinho

He's quite obviously not.

With an average of 2.19 shots/90 in one of the top teams in the country, I'd say he's the very definition of uninvolved. With a massive 3.7 dispossessions/90 (not counting the many, many balls that just bounce off him before he has possession), it turns out that when he does get the ball, it's the opposition that benefits.

 

[Rossi22]

Re: Official MKII- Paulinho

With an average of 2.19 shots/90 in one of the top teams in the country, I'd say he's the very definition of uninvolved. With a massive 3.7 dispossessions/90 (not counting the many, many balls that just bounce off him before he has possession), it turns out that when he does get the ball, it's the opposition that benefits.

lol, ok. I forgot that shots taken is the measure for how involved a player is, I guess that means Paulinho and Townsend are central to everything we do.

 

[scaramanga]

Re: Official MKII- Paulinho

lol, ok. I forgot that shots taken is the measure for how involved a player is, I guess that means Paulinho and Townsend are central to everything we do.

They're not strikers.

 

[Rossi22]

Re: Official MKII- Paulinho

It just shows he's efficient considering he managed 11 goals off 44 shots, would probably put him amongst the best in Europe with that conversion rate. I think any objective fan can see Adebayor isn't about goals, he looks to create for others and bring them into play. As for being uninvolved, passes per 90:

Rooney 48
Adebayor 39
Suarez 38
Lambert 36
Giroud 33
Dzeko 32
Bony 30
Sturridge 29
Aguero 29
Lukaku 29
Negredo 29
Soldado 27
Eto'o 23
Van Persie 22


You hate Adebayor, we know.

 

[SUIYHA]

Re: Official MKII- Paulinho

Out of the seven that came in last season, the only two I'm not prepared to give any more time to prove their worth are Paulinho and Chadli, for the simple reasons that their level of technical ability is nowhere near good enough for the positions we want them to play in.

I don't want any player at Spurs who I can't fill in Y for: "Player X is very good at Y" - What is Paulinho's Y?

Dribbling? Nope.
Passing? Hahahahahaha, hell no.
Finishing? He scores a few, but misses a lot of chances too, so no.
Heading? No
Tackling? Definitely not
Pace? Not really any faster than your average Premiership CM
Strength? He's a ****ing pansy, no way
Work rate? Non-existent
Flair? Tries the odd backheel but he's hardly Jay-Jay Okocha


The one thing he is quite good at is popping up in good positions to score goals. That's all well and good, but - you need to have a certain level of technical skill to able to control the ball and take the chance, it's the same reason why I don't want Harry Kane playing for Tottenham next season. Having a player making unpredictable runs and finding space near the opposition goal is also only useful if you surround him by other skilled technical footballers who will occupy the attention of defenders, move the ball around quickly and be able to pick him out, so alongside Oscar, Neymar etc he will get those chances to rack up the goals, whereas alongside Chadli and Kane, he won't.

I didn't see what all the fuss was about in the Confederations Cup. Yeah, so he scored two goals and had that chip against Spain that was saved. Big ****ing deal. The level of technical skill just isn't there. Signing players on the back of good international tournaments is always a very risky strategy (Pavlyuchenko, Zokora etc), I mean Fred looked awesome at the Confederations Cup last year before reminding us all at this World Cup why he flopped at Lyon and has spent the best years of his career playing for Fluminese.

Yeah, so some of the Premier League's best players took a bit of time to adapt to England before coming good. Name me somebody who was as bad as Paulinho in his first season in England that became a genuine star. But there are a lot of Klebersons and Denilsons who came over here and frustrated their teams for ages while they waited for them to get good and never did. We put up with Jenas for years because of that - just think what we could have done if we'd signed a proper central midfielder to complement the Berbatov, Keane, Lennon, Malbranque quartet that scored so many goals from 2006-2008.

If we get offered anywhere near what we paid for him we should bite their hands off. I don't see what he offers us that we can't get from Eriksen, Sandro, Bentaleb, Holtby, Dembele and Capoue in central midfield, let alone any half-decent replacement that we could bring in.