Next Spurs Manager v.2

[sc25]

Whoever comes in I think he needs to be given three years full stop. No sackings if the results aren't as expected unless we're really at the foot of the table. Stability is a much overused word on THFC message boards but we need it. And it sends a message (you'd hope) to the players. This guy will be your boss regardless for the next X amount of years so play for him or you're out.

I just don't see that happening. With LVG out of the picture, the remaining candidates are, to me, very 'iffy' indeed. Just from the comments in here you can see there is a huge disparity in opinion over the candidates. I can't imagine us sticking with, say, Poch for that long if we are mid-table or below. He just doesn't have any basis or record or history of success to keep faith in. I have concerns about FDB given the Dutch league and I think the way he's handled things with us in the media is a disgrace. And with Rafa, even with his record (or because of it) he will likely need to produce quickly. If Derby go up, I don't think we'd get McClaren.

I'd have gone with LVG, but with him off the table, I think that changes things a bit and so honestly I'd consider giving Sherwood another year. I don't think we will get Rafa this year (and doubt Levy will like paying the compensation anyway), whereas we may be more able to get him next year. I assume Poch would still be at Soton and 'available' next year too? So, I think Sherwood should at least be in the conversation, and not just because of Sherwood, if you see what I mean. I think there's a lot of considerations and factors that go in to it.

 

[BrainOfLevy]

I'm not sure that I agree. Most of the current squad have only known two Spurs managers. One of which had a system which they stuck to the second didn't consistently play the same system, so it is a bit harder to judge.

I think that the squad is pretty well set up for Poch and his preferred style of play.

It's set up pretty well for FDB and Poch. To be honest it's a pretty damn good squad. I like the post at the top of the page I just don't think we are ever going to get that stability.

 

[Raziel]

It's set up pretty well for FDB and Poch. To be honest it's a pretty damn good squad. I like the post at the top of the page I just don't think we are ever going to get that stability.

I agree, think the squad is a lot better than performances suggest.

 

[scaramanga]

I just don't see that happening. With LVG out of the picture, the remaining candidates are, to me, very 'iffy' indeed. Just from the comments in here you can see there is a huge disparity in opinion over the candidates. I can't imagine us sticking with, say, Poch for that long if we are mid-table or below. He just doesn't have any basis or record or history of success to keep faith in. I have concerns about FDB given the Dutch league and I think the way he's handled things with us in the media is a disgrace. And with Rafa, even with his record (or because of it) he will likely need to produce quickly. If Derby go up, I don't think we'd get McClaren.

I'd have gone with LVG, but with him off the table, I think that changes things a bit and so honestly I'd consider giving Sherwood another year. I don't think we will get Rafa this year (and doubt Levy will like paying the compensation anyway), whereas we may be more able to get him next year. I assume Poch would still be at Soton and 'available' next year too? So, I think Sherwood should at least be in the conversation, and not just because of Sherwood, if you see what I mean. I think there's a lot of considerations and factors that go in to it.

 

[Lost Mango]

I just don't see that happening. With LVG out of the picture, the remaining candidates are, to me, very 'iffy' indeed. Just from the comments in here you can see there is a huge disparity in opinion over the candidates. I can't imagine us sticking with, say, Poch for that long if we are mid-table or below. He just doesn't have any basis or record or history of success to keep faith in. I have concerns about FDB given the Dutch league and I think the way he's handled things with us in the media is a disgrace. And with Rafa, even with his record (or because of it) he will likely need to produce quickly. If Derby go up, I don't think we'd get McClaren.

I'd have gone with LVG, but with him off the table, I think that changes things a bit and so honestly I'd consider giving Sherwood another year. I don't think we will get Rafa this year (and doubt Levy will like paying the compensation anyway), whereas we may be more able to get him next year. I assume Poch would still be at Soton and 'available' next year too? So, I think Sherwood should at least be in the conversation, and not just because of Sherwood, if you see what I mean. I think there's a lot of considerations and factors that go in to it.

But Deadwood has lost a number of senior players like Sandro, Lloris and Vertongen by most accounts. If he stays, and they go, we are starting from scratch next season anyway (2 x new CBs needed, new DM possibly, new GK, new LB & new CF - 5 or 6 new signings to just get a squad together) with an unqualified coach and a media timebomb set on weekly detonation. Nothing to be gained from maintaining the status quo in any way shape or form. Unless you happen to be Deadwood or have links to him.

 

[Daisuk]

Are UTD waiting to see if Ancelotti loses the final/league/comes available before deciding on LVG?

Come on Athletico!

Well, they can't win the league now, at least, so if Athletico wins the Champions League, he's probably off!

 

[LutonSpurs]

He wasn't in any of the soundbites tonight. Not before or after. Not even mentioned. Ominous.

As much as I want him to go I won't feel any joy if he does go. The upheaval and disarray at the club is depressing.

Levy really needs to reflect on why so many of our mangers end up not even being on talking terms with him when they leave.

Find the best man for the club and the future and stick to the plan and his word when he makes promises for the future.

 

[kanoute16]

Has Levy somehow made Sherwood talk utter ******** in the press and alienate very good players? Players who were performing under AVB no matter what you think of him!

 

[kanoute16]

Also did I read in here that somehow keeping Sherwood would be a better option than bringing in a highly rated manager from Ajax who gets the best out of his players and commands respect? Absolutely flabbergasting!

 

[lurker of old]

I just don't get why we are linked with Pochettino, a guy who has achieved nothing and speaks no/little English. OK Southampton were exciting but he had some great attacking players, but I'd rather stay with Sherwood. I don't like him but he is probably smart enough to learn from his mistakes. A Chelsea fan at work remarked on how passionate he is for the club....

 

[DTA]

Has Levy somehow made Sherwood talk utter ******** in the press and alienate very good players? Players who were performing under AVB no matter what you think of him!

What players were performing under avb, that were not under Sherwood.

 

[sc25]

Also did I read in here that somehow keeping Sherwood would be a better option than bringing in a highly rated manager from Ajax who gets the best out of his players and commands respect? Absolutely flabbergasting!

What you may have read, and perhaps didn't grasp, is that its not always just a straight up choice of who's the better manager, in this case FDB or Sherwood. Obviously, FDB is much more successful and experienced, as no doubt are many others out there.

But what if FDB isn't their first choice? Suppose they want Rafa (or Ancellotti, or somebody else), but they can't get him til next year. Do you hire FDB on a long term deal now, and then fire him next year if a better manager (Rafa or whoever) is then available?

 

[kanoute16]

What players were performing under avb, that were not under Sherwood.

Verts and Dembele?

 

[kanoute16]

What you may have read, and perhaps didn't grasp, is that its not always just a straight up choice of who's the better manager, in this case FDB or Sherwood. Obviously, FDB is much more successful and experienced.

But what if FDB isn't their first choice? Suppose they want Rafa (or Ancellotti, or somebody else), but they can't get him til next year. Do you hire FDB on a long term deal now, and then fire him next year if Rafa - the 'better' manager - becomes available?

If we cannot get our first choice (LvG) then we look to the next manager on the lie that we believe will take us forward. You seriously telling me that Levy only has one manager on that list. At this point anyone will be better than Sherwood who quite frankly has behaved abominably imo

 

[NWND]

I just don't get why we are linked with Pochettino, a guy who has achieved nothing and speaks no/little English. OK Southampton were exciting but he had some great attacking players, but I'd rather stay with Sherwood. I don't like him but he is probably smart enough to learn from his mistakes. A Chelsea fan at work remarked on how passionate he is for the club....

LOL the fact you think Pochettino speaks no or little English tells me all I need to know about this opinion....uninformed.

 

[DTA]

Verts and Dembele?

Verts has been poor all season and dembele has been injured most of Sherwood's reign and when he wasn't he was par for both managers.

 

[harr1984]

Has Levy somehow made Sherwood talk utter ******** in the press and alienate very good players? Players who were performing under AVB no matter what you think of him!

Yeah AVB didn't alienate anyone did he. Players we really performing for AVB, thats why he got sacked....

 

[milo]

But Deadwood has lost a number of senior players like Sandro, Lloris and Vertongen by most accounts. If he stays, and they go, we are starting from scratch next season anyway (2 x new CBs needed, new DM possibly, new GK, new LB & new CF - 5 or 6 new signings to just get a squad together) with an unqualified coach and a media timebomb set on weekly detonation. Nothing to be gained from maintaining the status quo in any way shape or form. Unless you happen to be Deadwood or have links to him.

I am not arguing that Sherwood should stay but I think that there is little or no evidence that he has lost Lloris or Verts and whilst he had a public spat with Sandro, he was back in the squad for the next game and started the last game of the season.

Verts has not been shy in publically criticising AVB's decision to play him at LB in the Belgian media. I don't recall and similar comments in the last five months.

 

[Sandman]

Sack him already!!!!!!

 

[NWND]

To be fair to Sherwood, if he had indeed lost the dressing room or the senior players, there is no way we'd have been seeing some of the performances and results we have seen recently. West Ham, Liverpool, Norwich, City and Chelsea aside there have largely been very industrious performances with lots of goals and good results. Even WHam, City and Chelsea games were mitigated by red cards and individual errors in particular situations.

Last game of the season, if they weren't playing for the manager there is no way we'd have seen the performance we did in the first half.

I don't think Sherwood is ready for this job long-term and I hate his attitude and personality, but let's be fair to the guy, other than some stupid public spats with players there is absolutely no evidence to suggest he has lost the dressing room in a big way.