Gareth Bale

[billyiddo]

Re: Gareth Bale

If Bale stays and decides to sulk then it will also be to his own detriment. His promoters/marketers will not be happy for a start.

If his form dips, the media will hound him and it will potentially worse than now.

This is not the same as the Modric case, this is someone who is seen up there with Ronaldo and Messi... If we do not sell him then he needs to continue to sell the 'Bale' brand.

i can't see any way he'd give less than 100% for us next season - he's a professional who no doubt wants the best career he can have - next season, should he stay, we'll have a very strong side and a good performance from the team could see him pick up some trophies, why would he try to avoid that?

 

[Papercut]

Re: Gareth Bale

That's the footballer and not business side of the coin. It's a side of Bale I still have faith in.

 

[Mumorn]

Re: Gareth Bale

The medical staff say yes.


However if they poke his foot and he says 'ouch that hurts' they wouldn't know better.

thats good then. I mean even Suarez is playing games for Liverpool.

but if he's injured thats fine.

 

[BrainOfLevy]

Re: Gareth Bale

Another thing looking at the funny picture at the top, how can a player have such a good relationship with his manager, and so obviously credit him with a lot of his development constantly, now start sulking around the training ground because he isn't getting a move away a year earlier than planned?

Something just isn't right here. Which suggests the stories are all agent games so they can get their wish which is Bale to leave. But, if we hold firm and if Madrid don't cough up an utterly ridiculous sum of money, Bale will stay and I have every confidence he will continue to play well.

I just hope we get it sorted and the first 2 or 3 games aren't effectively thrown because this saga is hanging over us.

 

[BrainOfLevy]

Re: Gareth Bale

Another thing - let's say Real don't get Bale and sign Suarez instead...are they really so worried about what their fans will think after signing Isco, Casemiro, Illarramendi, Suarez and Carvajal? Will they fans be taking to the streets with pitchforks and rioting because their club spent 200M this summer and didn't get Bale? Are they really such entitled dingdongs? I just can't see it.

I really don't get this whole story. What does 'political pressure' actually mean, in actual terms?

 

[chicken_badge]

Re: Gareth Bale

It's a non-story. Sky have been telling us all week Bale wants to go. So he's hardly going to be over the moon if AVB is playing that idea down.

In fact, if you read word for word what Bale says,...... Oh hang on....

 

[Spursalot]

Re: Gareth Bale

Another thing - let's say Real don't get Bale and sign Suarez instead...are they really so worried about what their fans will think after signing Isco, Casemiro, Illarramendi, Suarez and Carvajal? Will they fans be taking to the streets with pitchforks and rioting because their club spent 200M this summer and didn't get Bale? Are they really such entitled dingdongs? I just can't see it.

I really don't get this whole story. What does 'political pressure' actually mean, in actual terms?

You haven't read Real Madrid forums.


The Real Madrid chairman is elected. That's what the political side refers to. If he fails to deliver what he has promised it weakens his position.

 

[Mumorn]

Re: Gareth Bale

According to the Sunday Mail, the future of Gareth Bale will be decided in the next 48 hours thanks to the involvement of Tottenham owner, Joe Lewis.

Mr Lewis has officially taken control of any discussions between Tottenham and Real Madrid and despite all signs pointing to Gareth Bale joining the La Liga side, Spurs are still demanding a staggering £100 million.

An Tottenham insider has said:

“It isn’t just Daniel Levy involved now. It is Joe Lewis who is going to be facing Perez at the negotiating table. He wants to meet Perez and resolve the Bale situation.”

“The main outstanding issue is one of cash, rather than the question of which player, if any, comes to White Hart Lane from the Bernabeu. The sides are still some way apart.”

The PFA Player and Young Player of the Year was in sensational form last season scoring 19 times in the Premier League and was a huge part of Tottenham’s success.

Tottenham’s newest addition, Roberto Soldado, has urged Bale to stay at White Hart Lane as the club prepare for the upcoming Premier League campaign. After completing his £26 million move from Valencia, Soldado said:

“Bale is a great footballer and you can see the effort Tottenham are making to prevent him from leaving. Of course, I want him to stay.”

Despite the two sides being ‘some way apart’, the reporting is suggesting that the future of Bale will be resolved in the next 48 hours. With Lewis yet to meet Real Madrid’s President Florentino Perez, it is unclear just how realistic this time frame is.

With asking price for the Welshman being around the £100million figure, the complete payment wouldn’t be completed until 2018, although it is believed that Spurs will try to push the figure to £120 million should this be the case.

http://getfootballnews.co.uk/gareth-bales-future-to-be-decided-in-next-48-hours/

 

[BrainOfLevy]

Re: Gareth Bale

You haven't read Real Madrid forums.


The Real Madrid chairman is elected. That's what the political side refers to. If he fails to deliver what he has promised it weakens his position.

Ahh...that is what I've been missing actually. Makes a lot more sense now. So this whole thing is actually driven by the Perez desire not to have his pants pulled down in public and be known as the man who is well and truly outshone by Barca, while at the same time getting bullied by little old Spurs.

Hahahahahaha....he's actually backed himself well and truly into a corner now hasn't he? He will need to pay an obscene amount of money to get Bale. Because if he fails to do so, it's absolutely right that he looks like a failure. He's the one who talks the talk and says he would pay whatever it took to get Messi if Messi would come. He would be properly shown up...brilliant. The Spanish economy will have screwn over his Galactico policy IMO.

The other thing is, if they are trying to force us into accepting rubbish payment terms that we couldn't sign replacements with, then that means us selling to Madrid could leave Arsenal free for Suarez. That means the imperative of keeping Bale is even more important, meaning we need even more money, and on even better terms, so that we can replace him adequately.

Perez must be absolutely bricking it right now. No wonder they've got the entire press onto this deal. It's literally their only hope of pulling it off.

 

[chicken_badge]

Re: Gareth Bale

Another thing - let's say Real don't get Bale and sign Suarez instead...are they really so worried about what their fans will think after signing Isco, Casemiro, Illarramendi, Suarez and Carvajal? Will they fans be taking to the streets with pitchforks and rioting because their club spent 200M this summer and didn't get Bale? Are they really such entitled dingdongs? I just can't see it.

I really don't get this whole story. What does 'political pressure' actually mean, in actual terms?

Real Madrid are owned by their club members. So their One Hotspur membership actually gets them more than a ticket in a queue for a season ticket. They elect their president who has say over all personnel at the club. They spend stacks promoting themselves before the election and there will be a lot of lobbying, so you can't get any old Madrista to do the job. And given how important football is to the Spanish, particularly this club, it is a political issue in more than one way. One of the things candidates always boast is which players they will bring in when they are president, they actually promise these things and they tend to come true! Ronaldo, for instance said he would come to Madrid prior to the last election. He did back Perez's rival though...

NWND - thanks very much for posting that. Fascinating to read, I have always wondered about football economics. It's not ITK as you say but it is speculative and so I take it with a pinch of salt, because THFC come out looking doing very well out of it. But it does stack up well.

Good to hear an interpretation of our "special relationship", though not quite sure what we are giving them in return? Galacticos at inflated prices??? Did make me wonder if part of their game is to go for the number one player from each country. Bag Bale and you get an almighty fan base in Wales, where the people will want him to do well as it benefits their national team. Modric in Croatia, similar. He's one of their biggest stars by a mile. Where as Dembele is one of many talented Belgians and behind the likes of Hazard in terms of profile.

Also explains why they are after a nice clean cut golden boy, rather than a similarly effective but nasty Uruguayan scumbag. Although a good old fashioned racist will have plenty of friends in Madrid.

 

[Jurgen the German]

Re: Gareth Bale

I've got a feeling that if Bale is still a Spurs player when we play Palace, he will pull a Berbs/ratboy and refuse to play to force a move. If the window closes and he's still here, which I think is seriously unlikely, then I can see Bale having another great season. He has to, he's got to keep playing at the same level as he did last season otherwise the clubs who are favourites to win the CL, plus Real Madrid will find someone else.

I've said it before, I have no idea why players are always in such a rush. He's just had a kid, seems settled in London, is only 24 years old and will only get better. He's got plenty of time left in his career to play for one of the world's top clubs. If he's confident in his ability (which as a top athlete you would assume he is), then what's so bad about waiting 1 more year?

 

[Tinneth]

Re: Gareth Bale

How many years does he have left on his contract? Will we still be able to ask for the same value next summer?

 

[Spursalot]

Re: Gareth Bale

How many years does he have left on his contract? Will we still be able to ask for the same value next summer?

Three currently. Think whether or not he performs as he did last season would affect the price more.

 

[P.D.]

Re: Gareth Bale

Ahh...that is what I've been missing actually. Makes a lot more sense now. So this whole thing is actually driven by the Perez desire not to have his pants pulled down in public and be known as the man who is well and truly outshone by Barca, while at the same time getting bullied by little old Spurs.

Hahahahahaha....he's actually backed himself well and truly into a corner now hasn't he? He will need to pay an obscene amount of money to get Bale. Because if he fails to do so, it's absolutely right that he looks like a failure. He's the one who talks the talk and says he would pay whatever it took to get Messi if Messi would come. He would be properly shown up...brilliant. The Spanish economy will have screwn over his Galactico policy IMO.

The other thing is, if they are trying to force us into accepting rubbish payment terms that we couldn't sign replacements with, then that means us selling to Madrid could leave Arsenal free for Suarez. That means the imperative of keeping Bale is even more important, meaning we need even more money, and on even better terms, so that we can replace him adequately.

Perez must be absolutely bricking it right now. No wonder they've got the entire press onto this deal. It's literally their only hope of pulling it off.

What about if he pays an obscene amount of money, way over the odds for a player who can't live up to the billing then he looks even more stupid.

I'm surprised the fans don't hate him already, Perez did the original Galactico era which wasn't as big a success as it was made out to be, in fact it eventually ended up with them going out of the CL in the first knockout round 6 years on the trot. Over the last decade they have spent hundreds upon hundreds of millions for what 3 titles and a cup. Not even made the final of the CL in 11 years.

 

[Superhudd]

Re: Gareth Bale

I hope Monday morning Joe Lewis buys 35% of the Spanish Bank that Real owes the money too and then whilst he is sitting one end of the dining table and Perez sits the other a man comes into the room and shows Perez this information from a brown folder.
Perez after reading this information looks across the table.. Lewis says.. This can go two ways.. Your my bitch.. Or you fudge off.

the Spanish banks must be dirt cheap right now too lol

 

[mudshark]

Re: Gareth Bale

Three currently. Think whether or not he performs as he did last season would affect the price more.

I guess it depends on whether you think last season was an exceptional one for him, and that's something that is not easy to judge, as he has been on quite a steep curve in several respects—coming into his peak physical condition, at the same time as he is gaining CL/Euro experience and also developing his game into areas that wouldn't necessarily have been envisaged when everyone thought his future was at left back. Only posterity will provide the answers, but if you believe that we've seen something of the very best of Bale last season, then in all probability, he won't look quite so fantastic next term, wherever he is. Madrid's very habit of poaching players who are all the rage because they've suddenly shone brightly elsewhere is exactly the same reason they have gained a reputation for ruining players.

 

[chicken_badge]

Re: Gareth Bale

I hope Monday morning Joe Lewis buys 35% of the Spanish Bank that Real owes the money too and then whilst he is sitting one end of the dining table and Perez sits the other a man comes into the room and shows Perez this information from a brown folder.
Perez after reading this information looks across the table.. Lewis says.. This can go two ways.. Your my bitch.. Or you fudge off.

the Spanish banks must be dirt cheap right now too lol

...."Bale is staying and we are making an immediate withdrawal of Cristiano Ronaldo, Iker Casillas and Karim Benzema. We will, however, be depositing one Heurelho Gomes. Look after him.".

 

[Superhudd]

Re: Gareth Bale

Think it would be wicked if one of the newspapers did a cartoon mock of it.

found this on a goon blog whilst searching Madrid financies

As Bankia fails, Real Madrid is teetering on the edge of the abyss
By Tony Attwood


The finances of Real Madrid are fairly sound. If the full-blown FFP were up and running now, Real Madrid would be ok. They are nothing like Emirates Marketing Project, Chelsea, PSG etc.


Real Madrid owe money, but not too much compared with their turnover. So in normal times they won’t fail. But these are not normal times.


Because Real Madrid’s bank is in the most serious trouble. As is the country. (As I drove to my office this morning I heard the comment on the radio that Spain’s economy is too big to be allowed to fail, but is also too big to rescue. That seems to sum it up).


As a result of this situation the normal roles are reversed. According to Süddeutsche Zeitung, one of the most widely read newspapers in Germany, and one that speaks with a certain authority, the most expensive footballer in history [C Ronaldo] may now be used to guarantee the solvency of a Spanish bank.


Or put another way: “Ronaldo in the bailout fund,” as SZ’s headline said.


The problem is that the Bankia group of savings banks, which finance Real Madrid’s endless acquisition policy, is now needing to borrow funds from the European Central Bank. And the ECB (rather taken up with Greece at the moment) want guarantees. So (and I am serious here, this is not a Billy the Dog make believe story) Bankia are said to be offering Real Madrid players as part of the guarantee. Not surprisingly, the ECB is not that impressed.


SZ then asked if the ECB could seize the players if Bankia totally insolvent. In theory they could, and as a result Real Madrid would default on the rest of its loans, secured in themselves by money from advertising, TV and the gate receipts. Given that the constitution of Real Madrid forbids the president of the club and others from personally financing the club, that would be the end.


Now the reason that this sort of thing has not happened before is that in Spain the clubs have often obtained bailouts from public funds – rather like the banks in the UK. As the Sevilla vice-president recently said, “There are six or seven of the 20 clubs in La Liga who are in bankruptcy or administration through difficulties with social security and the tax authorities.” That’s six or seven Rangers and Portsmouths, all playing in the top league in Spain.


Florentino Pérez, top dog at Real Madrid, has maintained the club’s finances and currently the club has a debt of about £150m. From David Beckham onwards the trick has been the same, merchandising, ownership of their own TV rights, and always coming in the top two in a two team league.


The system works because of the Spanish tax system which means that football leagues in other countries have to pay up to 70% more in wages to match the take home pay of players in Spain.


So there’s a system – Real Madrid borrow money, get players pleased to get extra income and less tax, and sell shirts, their own TV rights and the rest. And behind it as always is a bank – Bankia – which has failed to the tune of €19bn in the sort of crazed situation that (as the Financial Times said this week), “always brings down banks.”


Looking at Greece we might also say that it also brings down countries. Who knows which way Greece will go, but one way or another their tax system has to be reformed. Which is what has got to happen in Spain. Which is another reason why Real Madrid, and the whole of Spanish football, is under threat. They have benefited from being able to take players who will go anywhere and have the players pay very little tax. And that is about to end.


Bankia is going through the same sort of disaster scenario as the one that hit the savings and loans industry in the US (something that cost $100bn to sort out, according to the FT).


It is the old issue of banks throwing money at property developers. That is what has been happening in Spain, and as always it results in a crisis. Since so much of Spain’s economy has been based on this approach the crisis is large.


So if you want to get a grip on Spain’s problem and Bankia’s problem – and therefore Real Madrid’s problems – just think about Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs in the USA – and then add in the question of the interest rates and the unemployment rate.


In the last few days the cost of borrowing money in Spain has gone up and up, until now (at approaching 7% on the 10 year bonds last time I looked) the banks are in a position where they can’t raise any more money. (If you want to put it in perspective try this – if you had £10,000 in your bank account in the UK earning an interest rate so tiny you can hardly see it, you might be tempted by 7% in Spain. And then you might wonder if you will get your money back – so you don’t do it. That’s it in a nutshell.)


Spain’s economy is shrinking (1.8% this year) and unemployment is at an eye-watering 25%. So Spain has to reform. But it has to do this with banks that are now bust – just as the Royal Bank of Scotland in the UK was when it took over Liverpool FC.


Which takes us back to Real Madrid. It is solvent, but its bank isn’t and nor is the country in which it exists. Real Madrid is solvent because it uses the very low income tax rates to attract players. If that goes, or if it can’t find a bank to finance it, or if the whole economy goes Greek, Real Madrid has to restructure at an enormous speed, and the days of the purchasing of the world’s most expensive players will be over.


But so ingrained is this approach to Real Madrid, that it is difficult to see what the club will morph into.


We wait, and watch.


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[Superhudd]

Re: Gareth Bale

An article written in the Guardian about Madrid's bank

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2013/may/28/bankia-shares-tumble-savings-spain

Giles Tremlett in Madrid
The Guardian, Tuesday 28 May 2013 18.55 BST


Spain's banking crisis wiped out billions of euros of family savings on Tuesday as small investors who bought shares in the nationalised Bankia were finally able to trade them – but at only a fifth of their original price.


The wipeout on Madrid's stock exchange means that Bankia, which was created by the fusion of seven savings banks, has now lost 99% of its stock exchange value since it was listed 22 months ago.


Preference share owners had been given the tradeable shares, which came with a hefty haircut, as part of a cash injection worth billions of euros into the bank that wreaked most damage on Spain's financial system after suffering huge losses on toxic loans to real estate developers.


Bankia's 11bn new shares, part of a €15.5bn (£13.3bn) recapitalisation, tumbled as soon as they started trading on Tuesday morning. By the end of the day, they were worth half their €1 book value.


Trading in the new shares was meant to have marked a new start for the country's fourth-largest bank by market capitalisation. Last year, it needed a €24bn bailout as part of a wider European rescue of Spain's financial system.


"They're cheating us again, like they did before," Maricarmen Olivares, whose parents lost €600,000 in life savings made from selling her father's car workshop, told Reuters. "Everything is a swindle, the share listing, the compensation package, the value of the stock now."


Spain took €42bn of the €100bn offered to help it clean up banks that were drowning in a sea of bad real estate loans left behind by the country's burst housing bubble. Bankia was the biggest of four nationalised banks that needed funds, along with NCG Banco, Catalunya Banc and Banco de Valencia.


Questions are already being raised about whether banks will have to find yet more capital, amid worries that they have not owned up to all their bad property loans and as the country's economy continues to deteriorate. Reports suggest they may need €10bn more, though Spain can now easily raise any additional funds the state may have to provide on the markets.


Bankia may raise several billion euros from the sale of stakes in the British Airways owner International Airlines Group, electricity company Iberdrola and insurer Mapfre. It agreed last week to sell City National Bank of Florida to the Chilean bank BCI for $883m.


NCG Banco said on Tuesday it would sell its 80-branch EVO network as part of the restructuring plan negotiated with the EU after the injection of €10bn of public money into the lender.

 

[Mosquito_Coasting]

Re: Gareth Bale

Even if he has two years left on his contract next summer, I expect he'll still want very much to leave and really won't want to run down his contract. That strengthens our position in terms of his price a bit, I think.