Gareth Bale

[camspur]

Re: Gareth Bale

I imagine if Bale left this summer, Levy would face some very awkward questions from the likes of Paulinho and AVB, both of whom were convinced that Bale was staying and thus made their decisions on coming to/staying at the club based partly on that fact. Good luck to him trying to get new players in as well. I imagine star players will be queuing around the block to sign for Spurs once we explain to them how we gave up on our ambitions because there was too much money to turn down and how despite having a restrictive wage bill and a propensity for going back on our word when it comes to promises of players staying at the club (Berbatov and now Bale), we're still ambitious and want to compete at the top.

If we sell Bale now, we will both struggle to attract the caliber of players we want and lose a lot of our reputation in the football community as notoriously reluctant sellers. The fee doesn't matter here, it's the principle. Once Levy and the club have determined to hold on to a player (and communicated as much to the outside world, in this case via the end of season Chairman's letter), we must stand firm no matter what. Then, perhaps odious clubs like Madrid will be more cautious and respectful when approaching us the next time they see a player they impulsively decide they must have.

Are you aware of that as fact or just surmising?

It could be that AVB and players we are trying to buy are well aware that Bale is leaving, they've been given assurances of who we are signing with the Bale money and that Bale's transfer had been agreed back in january.

Of course that is pure speculation the same as AVB and Paulinho staying/joining just because Bale was staying.

My argument is purely at some point the money offered will be too much to turn down and Bale will go, Spurs will still be here and players will join. The money we get will just allow better players to join. Will they want to join if we don't have Bale, well that depends on where they play I'm sure a LW might well say "yes I'll replace him"

 

[Robbo]

Re: Gareth Bale

That always has me confused.

Why does it make no sense to us? Any player can be replaced and for the money we would be getting for him (if the press are to be believed) would buy 3 if not 4 players not only to replace him but for other positions we need to strengthen. Surely a stronger "all round" team is better than "a one man band".

Do I want to see him go, of course not, will he go, at some point of course he will no player stays anywhere forever (unless you're a muppet like Gerrard).

The problem with the logic that we can reinvest the money from Bale in other quality players, is that we can only play 11 players at once. Two good players doesn't equal one great, as we would be playing with a good player instead of a great one.

Obviously we could do a lot of good for the club with £85 million of Bale money, but if we really want to move forward, we need to keep Bale and improve other parts of the team. Which is what I believe we are doing at the moment, with Paulinho, Chadli and hopefully Soldado added to the squad, and some average players shifted out.

Surely it's better to be an all round team with a shining star in the midst, rather than "just" an all round team?

Bale will be sold at some point, of that I have no doubt unfortunately, but the club should make it absolutely 100% clear he is not going anywhere this summer.

 

[indianspur]

Re: Gareth Bale

Are you aware of that as fact or just surmising?

It could be that AVB and players we are trying to buy are well aware that Bale is leaving, they've been given assurances of who we are signing with the Bale money and that Bale's transfer had been agreed back in january.

Of course that is pure speculation the same as AVB and Paulinho staying/joining just because Bale was staying.

My argument is purely at some point the money offered will be too much to turn down and Bale will go, Spurs will still be here and players will join. The money we get will just allow better players to join. Will they want to join if we don't have Bale, well that depends on where they play I'm sure a LW might well say "yes I'll replace him"

iirc Paulinho did say he was assured that Spurs wouldnt be selling Bale, and AVB has said many times that Levy told him that Bale is going nowhere

Paulinho...."‘To play in England for a great team like Tottenham is a dream. What I respect about Tottenham is the ambition they have shown,’ Paulinho said.

‘This summer there has been interest in their coach and their best player – and they have been clear they are both not going anywhere.’

 

[Jurgen the German]

Re: Gareth Bale

I imagine if Bale left this summer, Levy would face some very awkward questions from the likes of Paulinho and AVB, both of whom were convinced that Bale was staying and thus made their decisions on coming to/staying at the club based partly on that fact. Good luck to him trying to get new players in as well. I imagine star players will be queuing around the block to sign for Spurs once we explain to them how we gave up on our ambitions because there was too much money to turn down and how despite having a restrictive wage bill and a propensity for going back on our word when it comes to promises of players staying at the club (Berbatov and now Bale), we're still ambitious and want to compete at the top.

If we sell Bale now, we will both struggle to attract the caliber of players we want and lose a lot of our reputation in the football community as notoriously reluctant sellers. The fee doesn't matter here, it's the principle. Once Levy and the club have determined to hold on to a player (and communicated as much to the outside world, in this case via the end of season Chairman's letter), we must stand firm no matter what. Then, perhaps odious clubs like Madrid will be more cautious and respectful when approaching us the next time they see a player they impulsively decide they must have.

Agree with every word of this.

Surely there is a limit to what Madrid will be willing to bid? If we keep rejecting outrageous bids, you've got to think they will give up eventually. I mean Bale is world class, but there's no way he's worth anything even close to £100m

 

[Nigeyman]

Re: Gareth Bale

I imagine if Bale left this summer, Levy would face some very awkward questions from the likes of Paulinho and AVB, both of whom were convinced that Bale was staying and thus made their decisions on coming to/staying at the club based partly on that fact. Good luck to him trying to get new players in as well. I imagine star players will be queuing around the block to sign for Spurs once we explain to them how we gave up on our ambitions because there was too much money to turn down and how despite having a restrictive wage bill and a propensity for going back on our word when it comes to promises of players staying at the club (Berbatov and now Bale), we're still ambitious and want to compete at the top.

If we sell Bale now, we will both struggle to attract the caliber of players we want and lose a lot of our reputation in the football community as notoriously reluctant sellers. The fee doesn't matter here, it's the principle. Once Levy and the club have determined to hold on to a player (and communicated as much to the outside world, in this case via the end of season Chairman's letter), we must stand firm no matter what. Then, perhaps odious clubs like Madrid will be more cautious and respectful when approaching us the next time they see a player they impulsively decide they must have.

Nice post DS.... With regards to levy he is often criticised (and I include myself here) for not doing enough to get deals done or being tight, but he rarely lets us down when it does come to getting us the best price for an outgoing player......ask any man utd fan.....they will forever despise him/us for eeking out 30.75m for Berba.

So how much is Bale actually worth??? would levy deal for???? I doubt levy has ever had a player on his hands who is as commercially as productive Bale, I would estimate that Real would quickly recover say 40m of any fee through shirt sales alone.....it is reported that barca nearly have their money back from neymar shirt sales... he has three years on his contract..is a commercial beast wins games with moments of outstanding quality is only 24 plays for wales so is unlikely to suffer burnout or injuries from any euro's or World cups...people could argue he is a natural successor to Christiano Ronaldo even if he never reaches is heights he is pretty damn close.

In terms of attracting the top calibre of player we are doing all the right things.... the training facilities are top notch and tells existing players/potential players we are serious about being the best...The stadium plans are also impressive and another really positive step in the right direction.

I do not think Madrid would ever appreciate the player like we do......he is the latest fancy of a wasteful bully.....at spurs he is the benchmark and brilliance of everything we are striving to be.

I absolutely want to believe that Levy will say No deal!!! Bale may well be distraught, he may go next season....but once the footie starts sep 2 slides away he will quickly remember how he loves being one of the main men in the premiership and at spurs...he will want to prove himself again....im sure. If anyone can weather a storm of pressure/brick its levy....if Bale does go it will be for a world record fee imo.

I really hope he stays as fans we don't care about balance sheets we care about the player who gets us off our bums....a player we can feel proud to say is ours. He absolutely has to stay this season if we have landed soldado its time we really had a go this year.

 

[indianspur]

Re: Gareth Bale

since the 80's Spurs have always sold their best players before or at their peak....Archibald, Hoddle, Waddle, Gascoigne, Klinsmann, Sheringham, Berbatov, Modric

the club is still standing and doing well the last time i looked

 

[Archieboy]

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BT Sport billboards all over Belfast this morning with no sign of Bale, although in better news Defoe is obviously staying as he is all over them!

 

[indianspur]

Re: Gareth Bale

BT Sport billboards all over Belfast this morning with no sign of Bale, although in better news Defoe is obviously staying as he is all over them!

oh dear....lose lose for Spurs

 

[Nigeyman]

Re: Gareth Bale

http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/658843443?-11179:5808decent piece from the express.

 

[King of Norway]

Re: Gareth Bale

since the 80's Spurs have always sold their best players before or at their peak....Archibald, Hoddle, Waddle, Gascoigne, Klinsmann, Sheringham, Berbatov, Modric

the club is still standing and doing well the last time i looked

How many trophies have we won since the late 80s?

 

[superspurs]

Re: Gareth Bale

This all seems to be in the same mould as Modric & Chelsea.

Tap him up, in Madrid's case very publicly with Marca, get him to hand in a transfer request to get the upper hand in negotiations and try lower price.

 

[Grays_1890]

Re: Gareth Bale

Im going to be very "MoneyBall" with this next post

In Bale we have a very pleasing on the eye, goal out of nowhere player who in an ideal world we would not want to lose, right??

When you break his stats down his actual output in the league was 21 goals and 4 assists, so where as the goals ratio was in fact huge for a midfielder the assist column is not as impressive. Now whilst the goal record was impressive, what was his realistic internal competition, Defoe with 11, Dempsey with 7 and Ade with 5, those stats are shocking.

So what point am I trying to make?? Is it really as hard as people are making out to replace Bale? For me alot of the success Bale achieved was down to playing almost as a second striker with freedom, therefore although not a player you want to lose, if we signed a 30m striker who scored 25+ league goals whilst making another 50m on the sale of Bale would it be as HUGE a loss as people and the press are making out??

What are the alternatives? place HUGE emphasis and resources on keeping ONE player at the club OR use the money that player brings to improve the TEAM and quality within that team.

For me, as pleasing as he is on the eye and in an ideal world a player I would want to keep, I see it as a correct move for all to now sell and move on, it always appears the end of the world when these players leave but as with Berba, Modric, Carrick etc it very rarely is.....

 

[BrainOfLevy]

Re: Gareth Bale

since the 80's Spurs have always sold their best players before or at their peak....Archibald, Hoddle, Waddle, Gascoigne, Klinsmann, Sheringham, Berbatov, Modric

the club is still standing and doing well the last time i looked

Still standing but where is the ambition? Do we want to be title challengers or do we want to be permanently tier-2?

Selling Bale makes no sense as we already have a good squad, what we need is a difference maker. Are we really going to find bona-fide 20/30M worth of upgrade on players like Sandro, Dembele, Vertonghen, Lloris, Soldado, Paulinho, Chadil, etc? The money will just be sitting there because we don't have a burning need, and the sale sets us back probably about 3 years.

What we need is a difference maker, a match winner that literally wins games by himself. We have one, and losing him is pointless.

 

[indianspur]

Re: Gareth Bale

Still standing but where is the ambition? Do we want to be title challengers or do we want to be permanently tier-2?

Selling Bale makes no sense as we already have a good squad, what we need is a difference maker. Are we really going to find bona-fide 20/30M worth of upgrade on players like Sandro, Dembele, Vertonghen, Lloris, Soldado, Paulinho, Chadil, etc? The money will just be sitting there because we don't have a burning need, and the sale sets us back probably about 3 years.

What we need is a difference maker, a match winner that literally wins games by himself. We have one, and losing him is pointless.

we dont sell players because we want to, thats not what im getting at....sometimes there comes a point that the players want to leave, and when players want to leave there is not much the club can do, any club in fact. Arse sold Fabregas, they sold RVP, Utd sold Ronaldo, when a player wants to desperately go there is only so long you can hang on to them. What im saying is that clubs go on, they survive. its nothing to be frightened of

 

[markysimmo]

Re: Gareth Bale

Refusing to play for Spurs anymore according to the pullitzer prize winning paper Marca


Miguel Serrano. Madrid 07/29/2013

It seems that the signing of Gareth Bale by Real Madrid is just around the corner. The Welsh star returned to London on Sunday from Hong Kong, where he has been with Tottenham Hotspur, although he has not played for one single minute nor appeared in any of the club's promotional events. There is, as he told MARCA last week, just one single thought in his head - to play for Real Madrid - now.

Bale had hoped that Daniel Levy would keep his promise, and accept Real Madrid's stunning offer of £80 million, which converts to €93 million. However, the refusal of the Tottenham chairman to sell his big star has made the player put his foot down. According to Sunday's Daily Mail, Gareth Bale has no intention of wearing his Spurs shirt ever again.

The Mail also reports that Bale is not suffering any injury, although he is in low spirits, and his mind is 8,756 kilometres away - the distance separating him from Los Angeles, where his future club has started the latest stage of the pre-season.

Bale feels let down by Daniel Levy. The €93 million offer from Real Madrid is almost impossible to refuse, and yet the Tottenham chairman has made the whole affair of the transfer of his big star into a question of honour.

His obsession for making Bale the most expensive footballer of all time has made him turn down an offer that the player, and his agent, and Real Madrid, thought would be irresistible

 

[Robspur12]

Re: Gareth Bale

I think Levy will hold firm to what he said in May. But the player has been so heavily bombarded both publicly and not by Madrid, not to mention his agent, that I believe the player's head has been turned to the point it will never quite return. Let us hope that he is the same Bale, but I don't think so...ultimately Madeid have succeeded in destabilizing the player mentally...I think it now becomes about Levy and AVB holding their line. In Levy I have to trust...

Again mate, as I always say, I would love a big portion of egg on face and for Bale to pledge happy loyalty to the club and be a part of things happily like he was until the latest round of filth from Madrid.

Steff how do you know his head's been turned now? I must sound naïve but he's been out in HK with the squad. We've heard nothing from the player himself or his agent wanting a move. I agree with BOL we must keep him this season irrespective of money. We can get similar money for him next season but I believe we can have real success next season with him and the new players we have brought in.

 

[superspurs]

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Just a friendly and kit launch.

I know they are doing it all on purpose and they know this but...

c*nts, total, utter c*nts.

 

[markysimmo]

Re: Gareth Bale

What makes me a bit annoyed is that even though no official bid has been made, this story is just non-stop but official bids have been made for Suarez and the story is hardly mentioned

Liverpool get such an easy time of it in the press, even though they have been nowhere near the top 4 for 4 seasons now there is never any this and that player should leave like we have to put up with each year

 

[mudshark]

Re: Gareth Bale

Talking about what we could "do" with £85m or £100m is ridiculous, anyway. What would the up-front amount actually be? If reports are to be believed, Madrid still owe us £20m for Modrić. Crossrail 2 would probably be in need of its first major upgrade before we saw the final payment out of them for Bale.

 

[indianspur]

Re: Gareth Bale

What makes me a bit annoyed is that even though no official bid has been made, this story is just non-stop but official bids have been made for Suarez and the story is hardly mentioned

Liverpool get such an easy time of it in the press, even though they have been nowhere near the top 4 for 4 seasons now there is never any this and that player should leave like we have to put up with each year

last week it was all about Suarez, all over the place, Liverpool have spent their whole tour deflecting questions about Suarez and the bids from Arse.....

at least Suarez hasnt been hiding away in a hotel with a fake injury