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Lawro the Twunt says...

Danners9 said:
the reverse fixture when we had a man sent off after 15 mins.

FA Cup semi isn't relevant at all. New team, new manager etc.

Late goals, collapse.. the last loss was vs Everton, 2 late goals. Those late goals at home were August/September. You may have noticed a new type of Tottenham now, one that SCORES late goals and wins games.

He gets paid for this, he should at least apply some kind of sense. If QPR had won the games he's predicted them to they would be 7th, yet he still predicts them to win. BBC should get rid of the feature, it's stupid. If they are going to do something like this they should put some actual thought into it.
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agreed it is a new manager and a new team, but the big game record so far is played 1, got tanked in 1

ade getting sent off 15 mins in is systemic spurs, we've been doing things like that for 100 years, would anyone be surprised to see someone heading back down the tunnel early on sunday

all i'm saying is I can forgive his lazy cliche this time
 
Ford Super Sunday: Tottenham v Arsenal
3pm, Sun, Sky Sports 1 HD & Sky 3D

Right now, Spurs are supposedly playing the best football they've played in years while Arsenal are getting stick in the papers every week.

And yet there could just be a one-point gap between them at the end of this match.

The expectations have changed and that's what makes this such an important match. A few years ago, the North London derby wasn't such a big game for the Arsenal players - they looked at Chelsea and Manchester United instead - but it's definitely a big game this year if they want to finish fourth.

People speak about the decline of Arsenal and the fact they haven't been winning trophies, but if they were to miss out on the Champions League for the first time since 1996 then that would be the drop of all drops. That would be where it has all gone wrong for Arsene Wenger.

The expectations have changed at Tottenham too. For the first time in at least 15 years, Tottenham fans will turn up and expect to win on Sunday and if they don't win they will be very disappointed. There have been times where they've thought they should win, but they will expect to open up a seven-point gap on Sunday.

And in a funny way, I think that could be to Arsenal's advantage. Tottenham's players will be under pressure to have a go at them and as a result I think Arsenal's midfielders will get a lot of the ball to influence the game.

I actually don't think Spurs have been playing great at all. If you take away Gareth Bale's goals in the last month, I dread to think where they'd be. You can't expect a player to keep putting balls in the top corner every week - even the best players in the world can't do that - and sooner or later it will stop.

Don't get me wrong, the lad has been outstanding. What I like about him is that he scores important goals. He doesn't score the last goal in a 5-0 win, he gets the crucial ones.

Arsenal won't do anything special to stop him though. I watched them play Bayern Munich two weeks ago, who have got top-drawer players all around the pitch, and they didn't change the way they played. So they won't change for Tottenham, who can't be mentioned in the same breath as Bayern Munich.

And to be honest, I don't see Arsenal losing this game, I really don't. Spurs will almost start with 10 men because Emmanuel Adebayor doesn't do anything and if Arsenal's forwards play well I think they will get a result.

PAUL PREDICTS: 2-2
 
Its just a shame that he is right in what he said. Your the ones that are being blind ignorant.
Ade has been useless this season.
 
BushHillSpurs said:
Its just a shame that he is right in what he said. Your the ones that are being blind ignorant.
Ade has been useless this season.
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Exactly, Merson was pretty accurate.

Forgetting the Ade part its not like anyone bar Bale has been exactly been playing that well and without Bale's goals can you tell me who exactly you would have said would have stepped up and scored a load? And Arsenal for all of the crisis they've apparently been in are within touching distance of us.

So I'd love to hear what exactly is all the nonsense he's talking about....
 
harr1984 said:
Exactly, Merson was pretty accurate.

Forgetting the Ade part its not like anyone bar Bale has been exactly been playing that well and without Bale's goals can you tell me who exactly you would have said would have stepped up and scored a load? And Arsenal for all of the crisis they've apparently been in are within touching distance of us.

So I'd love to hear what exactly is all the nonsense he's talking about....
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Not exactly that simple though.. Bale has scored lots partly down to his immense talent, but also because our team has been set up to play to his strengths. Bale has basically been roaming everywhere, interchanging with our other players, but through the centre our main tactic has been to create space for him, especially when the opposition are sitting back. A case in point is his winner against West Ham.

Without such a blatantly talented individual, our other players would each have an increased responsibility to score goals and that would be reflected in the tactics. Setting up Bale is the most successful route to scoring goals for us at the moment, but that isn't to say if he was suddenly unavailable we would be unable to cope. Football is all about adapting to change, AVB knows this and would have a plan to deal with Bale's absence.

Other players would definitely have scored more if Bale hadn't been playing these last few games. Whether we would have achieved the same results however is questionable.
 
Pandy said:
Not exactly that simple though.. Bale has scored lots partly down to his immense talent, but also because our team has been set up to play to his strengths. Bale has basically been roaming everywhere, interchanging with our other players, but through the centre our main tactic has been to create space for him, especially when the opposition are sitting back. A case in point is his winner against West Ham.

Without such a blatantly talented individual, our other players would each have an increased responsibility to score goals and that would be reflected in the tactics. Setting up Bale is the most successful route to scoring goals for us at the moment, but that isn't to say if he was suddenly unavailable we would be unable to cope. Football is all about adapting to change, AVB knows this and would have a plan to deal with Bale's absence.

Other players would definitely have scored more if Bale hadn't been playing these last few games. Whether we would have achieved the same results however is questionable.
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I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you. But the point was more being Merson saying Spurs haven't been playing that great and we haven't really have we? We defend better, and are well organised but in which games would you say we have played that well? Whether you agree or disagree with Merson I can live with that, but to make out like its an outrageous view and is a load of nonsense is ridiculous when all the things Merson has said are things that have been said by many on here.

Maybe its harder to take coming from a gooner, but nothing over the top has been said at all....
 
BushHillSpurs said:
Explain? Hardly ironic if its correct. Please explain his contribution. As a striker it needs to be goals.
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Yes, Adebayor had under-performed on the goals front this season. But he has always been a poor finisher, and as we saw against West Ham, he is getting into the right positions.

However, I think that is a very limited conception of a striker. Especially one of Adebayor's nature. The amount of time Ade spends on the wings and in deep positions is incredible. The notion that he does not work hard for the team is simply misguided. For example, after the West Ham match, someone posted a graphic of our player's 'average positions' throughout the game, Adebayor was actually deeper than Bale on average.

Now, this means nothing if he is not actually helping us be a threat going forwards. I would argue that rather than strictly scoring goals, this is the contribution an attacking player needs to be making (irrespective of if they are a 'striker' by name or not). However, while his touch has seemed more erratic last season and he certainly hasn't reached the same standard of performance, he has still played a huge part in our attack. The movement I referenced earlier is exactly what defenders hate, especially when it is performed by someone with the strength and pace of Ade, he is a magnet for defenders and creates space across the front line. He is decent at winning long balls and hence is an out-ball if we really must hoof it, and his hold up play is at times a marvel. The way he killed the West Ham game off by holding the ball and playing the safe pass, enabling us to see out the last 5 minutes in relative comfort, is one of many examples of this.

This brings me neatly on to his non-attacking roles, the first of which is this ability to hold the ball up and retain possession. In a tight game, it is absolutely vital to maintain a grip on the momentum. With a player like Defoe up front, there is always the risk that he might a) lose the ball or b) take an unnecessary pop at goal. The risk of this is greatly reduced with Adebayor, and thus in a team like ours, which defends chiefly through ball retention, he is key. A final point is his contribution defending set pieces, which he seems to be very adept at, he gets his head to lots of corners and free-kicks which not all forwards are able to do (especially not Defoe, our only other option atm).

Don't get me wrong - I have been disappointed with Adebayor this season, it just irks me that people see his goals tally and immediately write him off as brick. He has contributed a great deal to our success this season irrespective of his lack of goals. He is always up for games vs Arsenal so hopefully Sunday will be the match to trigger a scoring spree.
 
harr1984 said:
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you. But the point was more being Merson saying Spurs haven't been playing that great and we haven't really have we? We defend better, and are well organised but in which games would you say we have played that well? Whether you agree or disagree with Merson I can live with that, but to make out like its an outrageous view and is a load of nonsense is ridiculous when all the things Merson has said are things that have been said by many on here.

Maybe its harder to take coming from a gooner, but nothing over the top has been said at all....
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Yeah Merson was pretty accurate. My post was more in response to the idea currently in vogue that we are a one man team than a criticism of your post as a whole.
 
So people really want to know where this idiot is wrong?

Spurs not playing very well
- In the top 4 unbeaten runs in Europe
- Manager and Player just got manager of the month
- Stop the mistakes of first half of season

This is the usual garbage, what would be playing well? 5-0 every game? that's the kind of stupidity spouted by people who never played the game.

Bale on good run = one man team, take away his goal, blah, blah, blah
- Doesn't the statistic actually indicate Walnutt is more important to the Scum than Bale is to us? or at least on par?
- don't bother to check that brick, despite it being a very common conversation thread in the media for last two weeks

Players can't keep doing that every week
- Really? Bale is being compared to CR, what's his record, 183 goals in 181 games, nahhh .. nobody could do 5 games in a row
- Ohh wait, Spurs has actually has 3 other players, including one last season do it ...

Arsenal won't do anything special to stop the most effective player in the Pl
Arsenal will get a result
- how do the above two match?

Spurs will start with 10 men, Adebayor doesn't do anything?
- Really that is a comment from a professional pundit? that fits with the brick fans say about players like JJ
- Adebayor is on a bad run of form, but he's played for the Scum, City, RM and us and delivered for all 4
- He has a history of being up for his past clubs
- As a previous poster went into detail on, there is a hold up play to his game even when he doesn't score

And Spurs has the pressure on them?
- Wenger is under huge pressure, he fudging cracked out less than a week ago
- The only good result they had recently was a scrape by the worst Villa side ever to play?


Synopsis : Spurs have been getting really good results (but I don't like them), they have the best in form player in the league (but I crossed my fingers and legs so he suddenly won't be effective), they have a ex Scum player (I don't like him either so he will not do anything).
Arsenal have struggled with consistency, had a really bad month and under huge pressure once more to potentially miss a CL place for the first time in a very long time (but somehow Spurs will feel all the pressure), they have a manager notorious for no plan B, won't do anything to counter Spurs best player (but we will get a result)


I'm not saying we will roll them, it's a London Derby and results don't always go to form (you can say that), but every point he has made is utter tosh that is more make believe that professional analysis.
 
Pandy said:
Yeah Merson was pretty accurate. My post was more in response to the idea currently in vogue that we are a one man team than a criticism of your post as a whole.
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Yeah I agree with that, don't really think such thing exists as a one man team to be honest. Barcelona always look a lot flatter when Messi isn't playing, but they still have other great players in their side...
 
Raziel said:
So people really want to know where this idiot is wrong?

Spurs not playing very well
- In the top 4 unbeaten runs in Europe
- Manager and Player just got manager of the month
- Stop the mistakes of first half of season

This is the usual garbage, what would be playing well? 5-0 every game? that's the kind of stupidity spouted by people who never played the game.

Bale on good run = one man team, take away his goal, blah, blah, blah
- Doesn't the statistic actually indicate Walnutt is more important to the Scum than Bale is to us? or at least on par?
- don't bother to check that brick, despite it being a very common conversation thread in the media for last two weeks

Players can't keep doing that every week
- Really? Bale is being compared to CR, what's his record, 183 goals in 181 games, nahhh .. nobody could do 5 games in a row
- Ohh wait, Spurs has actually has 3 other players, including one last season do it ...

Arsenal won't do anything special to stop the most effective player in the Pl
Arsenal will get a result
- how do the above two match?

Spurs will start with 10 men, Adebayor doesn't do anything?
- Really that is a comment from a professional pundit? that fits with the brick fans say about players like JJ
- Adebayor is on a bad run of form, but he's played for the Scum, City, RM and us and delivered for all 4
- He has a history of being up for his past clubs
- As a previous poster went into detail on, there is a hold up play to his game even when he doesn't score

And Spurs has the pressure on them?
- Wenger is under huge pressure, he fudging cracked out less than a week ago
- The only good result they had recently was a scrape by the worst Villa side ever to play?


Synopsis : Spurs have been getting really good results (but I don't like them), they have the best in form player in the league (but I crossed my fingers and legs so he suddenly won't be effective), they have a ex Scum player (I don't like him either so he will not do anything).
Arsenal have struggled with consistency, had a really bad month and under huge pressure once more to potentially miss a CL place for the first time in a very long time (but somehow Spurs will feel all the pressure), they have a manager notorious for no plan B, won't do anything to counter Spurs best player (but we will get a result)


I'm not saying we will roll them, it's a London Derby and results don't always go to form (you can say that), but every point he has made is utter tosh that is more make believe that professional analysis.
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He hasn't said anything blatantly incorrect other than the Adebayor comment. Your rebuttals to him are equally biased, if not more.
 
Pandy said:
He hasn't said anything blatantly incorrect other than the Adebayor comment. Your rebuttals to him are equally biased, if not more.
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Mate, I'm a fan, he's a pundit, he has made a bunch of 1+1= 3 comments

Specifically (since you don't agree)

- Spurs isn't playing well? = by what measurement? results/goals/possession/shots/conceded? what? we are "fact" on one of the longest unbeaten runs in the top 5 leagues in Europe, how the fudge is that not blatantly wrong?
- Adebayor = you agree, a player of his caliber out of form is not equal to 10 men
- Bale can't continue his run = why not? he knows something we don't? has a voodoo doll home? the kid is on a 4 game run, not a 40, no evidence to indicate it can't continue (especially when in the same article you specifically point out that Wenger won't do anything to counter him specifically)

- Arsenal will get a result = why? what in the entire piece explains why other than the garbage above and some vague belief we will be under pressure, why?
 
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