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+ OMT - Spurs vs Man Utd +

I think it says a lot that Fergie found it necessary to adopt such a negative game plan against us.

There seems to be a few who have missed that point, he brought Jones in to try and deny Bale the space he needs, which did work but it allowed Lennon to run riot. Fergie know he was out thought and out played which is why he tried to turn the focus onto the linesmans ( so called) mistakes.

I have siad it earlier but this is true, i left the lane yesterday with some mates and we all agreed we could not remember the last game we were so much better then Utd.
 
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Alan Hansen said:
Manchester United’s hopes of regaining the Premier League title will always be in jeopardy if David de Gea keeps making mistakes like the one against Spurs and he must surely be on his last chance now.

Without a doubt he cost them three points and this is a crucial stage of the season where Sir Alex Ferguson needs to decide whether to stick with him or take him out the firing line.

The result at White Hart Lane could prove a season defining moment and United cannot afford to be drawing games when they should be winning them.

I’m sure they would have taken a point before kick-off but the fact they have tossed away two points in the game through a goalkeeping mistake could be massive.

Manchester United would have been seven points clear of Emirates Marketing Project if they had managed to keep a clean sheet, but the goalkeeper has flapped at the end and it has punished them after a very good away performance. A win at Tottenham Hotspur could have sent out a real message.

Sir Alex will be loath to drop him but he has got to make a decision now because this is crunch time and they are playing for big prizes. When your team is in the last 16 of the Champions League and competing for the title, the last position you want to be in is chopping and changing the goalkeeper.

It’s not like a centre-forward where you can take them out and rest them for a few games to keep them fresh, a goalkeeper is a position where you’ve got to have that continuity.

De Gea is only 22 and there is no doubt that he made two or three great saves against Spurs. He is an excellent shot-stopper but he has that weakness coming for the ball and it is always going to end up costing them.

It cannot be allowed to continue because other teams are going to play on it. They will set up their approach to games to target the goalkeeper because De Gea undoubtedly has a frailty and a weakness when the ball is in the air and it has been proven time and time again.

If Sir Alex was playing against a goalkeeper who he knew was susceptible in the air, he would be telling his players to show no mercy. Other teams will be doing exactly the same against United when De Gea is in the team.

I was actually surprised Tottenham didn’t target him more through the game. There were not that many aerial balls into the area to test him. They had players like Defoe, Bale, Lennon, Dembélé, Parker and then Huddlestone, when he came on, all trying to beat the goalkeeper from 30 yards, when the best way to test him is to get the ball out wide and chip it into the area.

The first time they did that was in injury time and look what happened – the goalkeeper has come out, completely made a mess of it and Spurs have equalised. Quite simply, when the ball is in the air in the penalty area and he has to come for it, he struggles. It is a big weakness.

I think he will get one more game to come back from this and prove himself. But if he makes one more mistake that costs them like that, Sir Alex has got no alternative but to take him out and bring back Anders Lindegaard.

Not only did De Gea’s mistake cost his team two points, it also detracted from what I thought was a defensive masterclass from Rio Ferdinand and Nemanja Vidic. Michael Carrick and Phil Jones were also excellent but the two centre-halves were absolutely magnificent.

It was only the second time this season the central defenders have played back to back games and they proved there is no substitute for experience. By not having them together last year it ultimately cost them the title and you can just see the difference they have made to the team over the last two games.

Any aspiring centre-half should get a DVD of the Spurs game and watch the way those two played. You would not fail to learn the basics of defending, getting into the right positions and reading the game. They have such an intuitive understanding and when Vidic steps left, Rio will step right. United’s goal was excellent but the Spurs back four were simply pulled apart for it. In an identical situation for Spurs, they just could not find a way past Rio and Vidic.

It will be difficult to keep them playing together all season but the more Sir Alex can do it, the better United’s chances of winning the title will be. They deserved get three points – but the reason they did not is because of the goalkeeper, and its something United have got to deal with or it could end up costing them.
 
The result at White Hart Lane could prove a season defining moment and United cannot afford to be [B]drawing games when they should be winning them.
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I’m sure they would have taken a point before kick-off but the fact they have tossed away two points in the game through a goalkeeping mistake could be massive.

Manchester United would have been seven points clear of Emirates Marketing Project if they had managed to keep a clean sheet, but the goalkeeper has flapped at the end and [B]it has punished them after a very good away performance[/B]. A win at Tottenham Hotspur could have sent out a real message.

What game was this clown shoe watching ?
 
You are just repeating what skyfarer said. I will also repeat that all teams fear us (including the table toppers) and with good reason. We are better than"good." We have only lost 1 in 14 since Arsenal and IMO the Everton loss was undeserved and freakish.

okay then just to get some kind of baseline .....

who is the better team between united and us? who has the better players? who has the better manager? who has the more effective system?

or is it that you just think we are as good as them in one or all of these areas?

its one thing teams fearing the possibilities of another team , its something else for that to mean that the team you are cautious of to be expected to beat you if you the two of you gave each other your best efforts.

infact, with the team we have ...did you expect us to go undefeated with manure? and thinking ahead .....i take it you're expecting us to dominate Emirates Marketing Project as well?

so they are fearful of a player of ours, and? adjustements like these get done for every team.......the thing that amazed me is that evra nearly ALWAYS has a tough time with lennon and they failed to take that into account. contrary to popular opinion evra is not that good defensively one on one with quick footed fast players. he'll give them ground. odd that Alex didnt think to make that adjustment......or maybe he did and the designated player was bad at it

i personally think that united took it for granted that they were going to win that game and that they doubted the belief and mental resilience of our players....they got a good old shock to the system.

plus i think they are losing their mojo / mythology.....more and more teams are not getting beaten by the name......their giving it a good go
 
Interesting post but totally disagree about D & S. Who was it that got the winner at OT and the last minute goal yesterday? Who was it who provided valuable assists in recent games?
I also think it's about time we start realising how good we are. I think if United had been more gung ho we could just have easily ripped them apart as them doing the same to us. Our recent results have been 3 goal victories against teams who haven't "parked the bus."
Fergie is no mug-and he nearly mugged us. We fully deserved "only a draw" as AVB said. But, as you say, more guile or something different is needed against such tactics and we could have walked away with nothing.
Pre-match Fergie also commented about how the crowd and the atmosphere at WHL has a bearing on games.


A more clinical Striker.


We had chances. We did not take them.

United had one chance, they took it. United almost come away with the win. One reason. They took their chance.
 
As I said before the game, I didn't think we'd lose and we didn't.

All the negativity and pessimism how United were gonna win, dominate us, blah, blah, blah.

Never agreed with it, never happened.

Oh and Carrick the master footballer, don't think so.

I wasn't worried about him before the game, wouldn't be worried about him if we played them tomorrow.

Scholes is still better than him and he's 146.

The player I was worried about is the player anyone should worry about, RVP. The best player in the country.

He, as much as Chelsea, robbed us of CL football last season.

If Arsenal still had him, they'd finish above us this season too.

So pleased for Clint, one of my favourites at Spurs. Absolutely love the guy, a fighter to the end.

We deserved a draw/win against the best team in the country.

All credit to Spurs, now 7 points ahead of Arsenal, and I don't see us collapsing this season.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, well done. I noted your comments before the game but unfortunately did not share your confidence.
The last line in your post is the crucial one. We are in form and still have players to add to the side or get fitter. Happy days!
 
A more clinical Striker.


We had chances. We did not take them.

United had one chance, they took it. United almost come away with the win. One reason. They took their chance.

RvP is a world class striker though....what world class striker is going to come to us. if the conversion rates are what you mean then how can you be sure thats all thats needed to give us that extra incentive to win games?

movement, strength, pace and hold ....and then thats not to mention that you might need a proper string puller to free this striker up, which we dont actually have. then again if we had one of those , woudl defoe be better or worse for having them here?
 
RvP is a world class striker though....what world class striker is going to come to us. if the conversion rates are what you mean then how can you be sure thats all thats needed to give us that extra incentive to win games?

movement, strength, pace and hold ....and then thats not to mention that you might need a proper string puller to free this striker up, which we dont actually have. then again if we had one of those , woudl defoe be better or worse for having them here?


I didn't say we needed RVP, just someone more clinical than Defoe. Which lets face it isn't really that difficult. Defoe scores lots of goals, yes, but he takes lots and lots of chances to score them.

Does it matter whether 'Defoe would be better or worse for having them here'?


Surely the point is whether or not the team would benefit from having them here.
 
Don't understand negative reaction to De Gayer at all

He kept the scoreline respectable surely?

How many did he save with his fudging legs yesterday?
 
okay then just to get some kind of baseline .....

who is the better team between united and us? who has the better players? who has the better manager? who has the more effective system?

or is it that you just think we are as good as them in one or all of these areas?

its one thing teams fearing the possibilities of another team , its something else for that to mean that the team you are cautious of to be expected to beat you if you the two of you gave each other your best efforts.

infact, with the team we have ...did you expect us to go undefeated with manure? and thinking ahead .....i take it you're expecting us to dominate Emirates Marketing Project as well?

so they are fearful of a player of ours, and? adjustements like these get done for every team.......the thing that amazed me is that evra nearly ALWAYS has a tough time with lennon and they failed to take that into account. contrary to popular opinion evra is not that good defensively one on one with quick footed fast players. he'll give them ground. odd that Alex didnt think to make that adjustment......or maybe he did and the designated player was bad at it

i personally think that united took it for granted that they were going to win that game and that they doubted the belief and mental resilience of our players....they got a good old shock to the system.

plus i think they are losing their mojo / mythology.....more and more teams are not getting beaten by the name......their giving it a good go

You are saying United have better players than us in many positions. I agree but my point is they are not that much better.
Who is the better team? On results we are. On performances we are also better.
Yesterday de Gea had many saves to make, Lloris made precisely zero saves. If Dembele does not play 4 of their guys onside... if we take our chances..oh-fudge if.
I hope we get United in the FA Cup Final. We will then see.
I know you like long arguments \o/ but I don't so let's wait for Wembley!!!!
 
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Tottenham's goal came from their 25th and final shot of the game.

Clint Dempsey had the most shots on target in the PL this weekend (4).

Man United's total of 5 shots is their lowest in a Premier League game since the match at Emirates Marketing Project last season.

Robin van Persie has scored more than 1 headed goal for the first time in a single Premier League season.

United have scored more goals from crosses (20) and headers (13) than any other PL team this season.

United made more blocks than any other team in the PL this weekend (11).

Spurs made the most interceptions (28).

United were caught offside 7 times, the joint-most since they racked up 9 at Spurs in 2009-10.

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Clint Dempsey had the most shots on target in the PL this weekend (4).

That is interesting, 4 shots on target doesn't sound impressive at all, yet it is the best in the PL this weekend... I know it is staggeringly obvious, so sorry to point it out, but shots on target is what it is all about (either goals or corners or the ball back in play for a tap-in)
 
There seems to be a few who have missed that point, he brought Jones in to try and deny Bale the space he needs, which did work but it allowed Lennon to run riot. Fergie know he was out thought and out played which is why he tried to turn the focus onto the linesmans ( so called) mistakes.

I have siad it earlier but this is true, i left the lane yesterday with some mates and we all agreed we could not remember the last game we were so much better then Utd.

i think the 1-1 against Utd at the Lane in 2008 under Ramos was a damn decent game from a Tottenham perspective. We were all over them from start to finish, Berba scored and they got an undeserved equalizer in the final minute thru Tevez iirc
 
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