Richarlison

[thfcsteff]

Do you not wonder though why the club, mostly through RDZ, spoke about a lot of player's dispositions about staying or leaving but only one player ultimately became a problem?

The contrast in behaviour between Richi and Bergval is staggering to me. Very similar situations but the young gun seemed to conduct himself brilliantly through a tough career decision. Did Richi?

I presume you subscribe to the concept that people are different? And I assume you subscribe to the concept that different people might need to be managed differently? I mean, besides the fact that the two situations are hugely different in terms of career stage.

 

[thfcsteff]

Yeh 100% this.

This summer saw a uniformed approach by some that decided that any player linked with a move away was in part because of their attitude, the same people said it about Richy, Spence, Bergvall and Vuskovic, frankly some of what was written was staggering TBH. Massively overplayed line that I think in part came down to people not liking them as players (or that was a coincidence)

Agreed!

 

[MartyFunkhouser]

This would be a cute except I have never tried to convince the forum that Richarlison is Van Basten. You (and others), however, have tried to convince the likes of me that he is the equivalent of that Weah hoax Soton signed a many years ago. The statistics continue to be ignored.

Yep, people trying to peddle something that has not been said and repeating it in the hope that is somehow becomes true. ITs nothing not do with Richy being good or very good, its that we have now been left with a team that collectively has not enough goals in its locker in their entire footballing history and that MAYBE leaving someone with 70 isn't maybe ideal. Hardly crazy logic and hardly making out Richy is Ronaldinho.

Not sure at this point why it needs to be restated again TBH

 

[SissokoWasGood (BoL)]

I presume you subscribe to the concept that people are different? And I assume you subscribe to the concept that different people might need to be managed differently? I mean, besides the fact that the two situations are hugely different in terms of career stage.

Is the idea behind giving Richy clarity that he would have taken that on the chin, found himself a move, and been totally ok with it? Do we know that for sure?

Because if we accept he is emotionally volatile and should be treated differently, unless I’m missing something it feels like there’s every chance Richy might say something like ‘wow, they gave every other player who wanted to stay the option of staying, but they didn’t give that option to me, despite all the stuff I’ve done for them and deals I’ve turned down in the past, I’ll show them!’

It both presumes he would totally take it on the chin and not react in an emotional way as he did with what actually happened. It also presumes I think that because he didn’t have clarity that he was somehow more hurt by the club being willing to find him a move later in the window, even though it seems like he kept changing his mind? I guess I’m asking why clarity earlier in the summer would have solved all of this?

 

[Dicko]

So is he stuck until January now? No rumours to any other leagues with open transfer windows?

 

[Muttley]

I presume you subscribe to the concept that people are different? And I assume you subscribe to the concept that different people might need to be managed differently? I mean, besides the fact that the two situations are hugely different in terms of career stage.

Of course, but Dragusin is different from Danso who is different from Sarr who is different from Romero, Spence, Lanks, Devine, Phillips, Vic, Vuskovic, Solomon, Scarlett etc.

Look at the list and you see a player in Dragusin whose agent was always being an idiot. You see Solomon and his SM history. You see Romero and all the fun and games we had with him. Every player has their own story and their own personality but our club managed the transition of these players seamlessly. None of our other departees ended up in conflict with the club. Every single one of them seemed to act totally professionally. Some went on pre-season. Some didn't. Some of them were spoken about the manager publicly. Others weren't. Some were end of contract. Some were recently signed. There's also an entire spectrum of ages there.

Why was the Richi case so different? Why did his process break down spectacularly when all the others worked so well?

My educated guess is that there are pieces of this jigsaw us fans don't see and I very much doubt they sit favourably with the player. RDZ even alluded to this in his pressers, and still told the world he loved Richi.

 

[thfcsteff]

Of course, but Dragusin is different from Danso who is different from Sarr who is different from Romero, Spence, Lanks, Devine, Phillips, Vic, Vuskovic, Solomon, Scarlett etc.

Look at the list and you see a player in Dragusin whose agent was always being an idiot. You see Solomon and his SM history. You see Romero and all the fun and games we had with him. Every player has their own story and their own personality but our club managed the transition of these players seamlessly. None of our other departees ended up in conflict with the club. Every single one of them seemed to act totally professionally. Some went on pre-season. Some didn't. Some of them were spoken about the manager publicly. Others weren't. Some were end of contract. Some were recently signed. There's also an entire spectrum of ages there.

Why was the Richi case so different? Why did his process break down spectacularly when all the others worked so well?

Taking you at face-value here...the difference is timing versus situation versus seniority. Young loanees such as Devine, Phillips and Scarlett are trying to find careers. They have little established first-team time. Their moves will have always been understood as part of their journeys. Romero? Come on. Between him and the fans, that ship sailed last season and everyone knew it this summer. Spence - cleanly dealt with early due to honesty on all sides. Lankshear - made it clear he wanted first team football and would not take a loan, again early. Vuskovic - the same, plus we saw an angle to get a player in RDZ wanted from the buying club. Soloman? I honestly think its awful how he's been treated, as he looked no worse than anyone during the tour, but I think it's safe to say that everyone knew he would not be playing a part in our season for a variety of reasons. Sarr? Probably as close as we got to unfriendly, and yes, in this case I'd go along with saying his demeanor and attitude was top class despite disappointment (was sorry to see him go). Vic? Everyone knew he was off at the end of last season. Danso? That was certainly a wild one as it seemed to come from nowhere, and in all honesty, the deal was done so quickly he did not have time to be engaged in bitterness.

I'll tell you what I think...we fudged the guy around all summer. He did not want to sign an extension, that was clear (and when we should've said 'see ya'). Instead we kept him around in case. We then got a whiff that Ndiaye was 'on' and at that point decided we'd shuffle Richy on. Having seen the manager throw HIM under the bus earlier in the summer via media quotes, I would hypothesise that this specific shift so late in the window did not go down especially well. He ended up being (wrongly) blamed for Ndiaye not moving to us (it has been confirmed that the agent actually stopped taking our calls once City said they were in) and suddenly there's a giant mess in place.

My educated guess is that there are pieces of this jigsaw us fans don't see and I very much doubt they sit favourably with the player.

You have been clear on that point for sure.

RDZ even alluded to this in his pressers, and still told the world he loved Richi.

Bless. That's nice of him. I wish he'd been a little quieter overall in the first place.

 

[Bishop]

This would be a cute except I have never tried to convince the forum that Richarlison is Van Basten. You (and others), however, have tried to convince the likes of me that he is the equivalent of that Weah hoax Soton signed a many years ago. The statistics continue to be ignored.

Have I? I just say I don't rate him and I don't think he's a net positive. His stats aren't ignored, they just aren't good. Maybe you think that's the standard we need and fair enough if you do. I think we need better.

 

[MartyFunkhouser]

Have I? I just say I don't rate him and I don't think he's a net positive. His stats aren't ignored, they just aren't good. Maybe you think that's the standard we need and fair enough if you do. I think we need better.

We paid 75m for a winger who has scored 2 PL goals in 50 appearances (at over an average of 50 mins an apps) who is lauded for one season in Spain and is excused for not being able to play on the RW. I am not sure your standards are as high as you make out

 

[thfcsteff]

Have I? I just say I don't rate him and I don't think he's a net positive. His stats aren't ignored, they just aren't good. Maybe you think that's the standard we need and fair enough if you do. I think we need better.

Yes. You have. Look back and see how many times you remind us of your opinions regarding him. As for the rest of your post? Dear me...really? This again?