Cristian Romero

[Bedfordspurs]

Except he didn’t continually play a high line. Only people who didn’t actually watch us (or perhaps don’t really understand football) would think that.

He played what he could with who he had fit
That’s why we won that cup and barely conceded a goal too

 

[thfcsteff]

Yeah sure it can be framed that way i 100% agree - Not many managers would have accepted being told to play the complete opposite way to how they wanted to by their players- but Ange did and to his credit

I think this is the key isnt it mate. We all have a perspective on him and he is certainly 'frameable' in different ways...his replacement however!!!!!

 

[Muttley]

Some revisionism going here for me around Romero's tenure under Ange.

I can certainly remember a lot of commentary on Romero's discipline under Ange. I also remember a lot of stick Romero was getting because he adopted Ange's offside line rather than do what he's done for other clubs and country and use those defensive instincts to stay with a man and even sweep up behind. He had his abilities questioned massively on that. Ange's inability to setup for set pieces in season 1 was also really hard for our captain who took a lot of stick.

That being said, Romero's issues clearly were way more amplified under Frank. On one hand, our captain was going the extra mile to get on the ball and get into many different non-centre-half positions for the team. He was being a leader after taking the reins from Sonny. However, he then lost his head on too many occasions.

Now whether you lay that at Frank's door or suggest that under Ange in season 3 it would have gone the same way, that's all about opinions.

The only shame is that we never saw Romero in a great Spurs team under a great manager. We never really saw him set up for success in a way that you could fix that variable leaving the player to see which direction the player would have gone.

 

[metalgear]

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his biggest problem was his availability. you can't count on him and despite the stats he produces we finished 17th in two seasons. a lot of his inavailability was due to his indiscipline which was 100% avoidable, especially if he's supposed to be a leader

the suspicious circumstances where the cycle of being unfit but ready to play in internationals and then returning unfit again also doesn't help his case.

 

[Surfless]

How "world class" has depreciated over the decades... this "superpower" you mention has nothing to do with anticipation - it is all about flying into tackles which, admittedly he does gets a high percentage of... however his recklessness means that statistically he always misses a percentage... and when he does miss them - as happens in almost every single game - it invariably means a yellow or red card.

That is anything but world class. The best defenders in the history of the game rarely made a last ditch tackle... because they were always at the right place to snuff out a chance. If you want to see what genuine world class defensive anticipation and reading of the game looks like, hit YouTube and type "Franco Baresi". Then we can continue the conversation....

You don't need to go that far from Spurs to find true world class. A comparison with Ledley King is enough. A man who combined a quiet and controlled demeanour with insane ability to read a game. King is famed for that tackle back against Chelsea now, but going to ground was an exception for him, he so rarely had to make any last ditch interventions, because he read the game so exceptionally. He also did all of that with one knee and barely any training between games.

Baresi was fantastic, albeit surrounded by the best players in the world at the time as Italian football went through it's "premier league" era, but King was a complete one off, a freak whose injuries and desire to play only for us stunted his global reputation.

 

[Bishop]

You don't need to go that far from Spurs to find true world class. A comparison with Ledley King is enough. A man who combined a quiet and controlled demeanour with insane ability to read a game. King is famed for that tackle back against Chelsea now, but going to ground was an exception for him, he so rarely had to make any last ditch interventions, because he read the game so exceptionally. He also did all of that with one knee and barely any training between games.

Baresi was fantastic, albeit surrounded by the best players in the world at the time as Italian football went through it's "premier league" era, but King was a complete one off, a freak whose injuries and desire to play only for us stunted his global reputation.

I just think the standards are really low if what we've seen from Romero is enough to be considered world class.

 

[MartyFunkhouser]

I just think the standards are really low if what we've seen from Romero is enough to be considered world class.

I think people are purposely over playing the rebuttals though to stick it on Romero. Its been weeks since someone called him world class and the same people are repeating the same posts that are disproportionate to the claims. We get it, loads don't think he is world class, not sure we need the reminders to posts that barely exist just to tear Romero down further.

 

[afsoc4life]

I just think the standards are really low if what we've seen from Romero is enough to be considered world class.

We will come back to this post. Every defender makes mistakes. I remember massive errors from world class CDs like Nesta, Cannavaro, Stam, Ramos etc. Romero is world class. Just because some Spurs fans don't appreciate that doesn't change it ...

 

[Mikey10]

We will come back to this post. Every defender makes mistakes. I remember massive errors from world class CDs like Nesta, Cannavaro, Stam, Ramos etc. Romero is world class. Just because some Spurs fans don't appreciate that doesn't change it ...

Doesn’t just seem like it’s just Spurs fans, given the lack of really top tier teams interested in him, especially given that he went for a little over £30 million.

 

[Bishop]

I think people are purposely over playing the rebuttals though to stick it on Romero. Its been weeks since someone called him world class and the same people are repeating the same posts that are disproportionate to the claims. We get it, loads don't think he is world class, not sure we need the reminders to posts that barely exist just to tear Romero down further.

Funny thing is I have no desire to tear him down. I think he's very good (a lot of the time), just not WC (sorry for saying it again, but I just wanted to be clear because I do rate him as a player).

 

[Bishop]

We will come back to this post. Every defender makes mistakes. I remember massive errors from world class CDs like Nesta, Cannavaro, Stam, Ramos etc. Romero is world class. Just because some Spurs fans don't appreciate that doesn't change it ...

I didn't think Ramos was either tbh

It's not about mistakes for me, it's the consistency of absolutely top level performances. I just haven't seen those from he who shan't be named.

 

[Ace Face]

I just think the standards are really low if what we've seen from Romero is enough to be considered world class

I think the best semantics are to say he has world class ability.

On his day he is imperious but he has never shown it consistently enough to be considered a world class player.

 

[Bishop]

I think the best semantics are to say he has world class ability.

On his day he is imperious but he has never shown it consistently enough to be considered a world class player.

I do agree with that because I do separate World Class ability from actually being World Class. Being World Class for me is a consistency of very high level performances, game after game, season after season.

World class ability is something you can show, sparodically. I think of someone like Quersma who undoubtedly had absolute World Class ability but he never put in that consistency of performance to earn that tag, so it has to be backed up by the performances to be World Class for me, that's just my take on it.