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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

MartyFunkhouser said:
I agree and he has to face the scrutiny, thats from a fan of his. A clean campaign is needed with all bells and whistles to start cleaning up the mess in the UK.

Loads of quick wins to gain support back when he gets in, a role back on some of Reeves policy will do him well.
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He needs to rapidly divert away from Reeves' neo-liberalism if he's any chance of fixing the country.

Ditch the triple lock to slash the benefits bill, merge NI into income tax, capital gains to align with income tax, and land value to replace council tax. Then start repairing public services
 
Gutter Boy said:
He needs to rapidly divert away from Reeves' neo-liberalism if he's any chance of fixing the country.

Ditch the triple lock to slash the benefits bill, merge NI into income tax, capital gains to align with income tax, and land value to replace council tax. Then start repairing public services
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A couple of Reeves Roll backs and he will be alot closer to an election win in a few years.

Stop the own goals and make some sensible decisions and let Reform and Restore burn each other's housing down
 
Mikey10 said:
I’m not at all convinced by Burnham; severe case of the emperor’s new clothes with him, I reckon. But no denying he’s delivered a resounding win in a seat I thought he’d probably lose at the beginning of the campaign.
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Do you not think a lot of the people who voted for him did it because they want him to replace Starmer rather than him being their MP and all what comes with that, the 24k are happy to be used to get Starmer gone
 
WillWeEverBeGoodAgain said:
Do you not think a lot of the people who voted for him did it because they want him to replace Starmer rather than him being their MP and all what comes with that, the 24k are happy to be used to get Starmer gone
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He is going to be a much better PM than Starmer, so its a risk for those who truly want Reform in. He will give Farage a better fight and 3 years of Lowe taking shots at reform ia going to take a toll
 
MartyFunkhouser said:
He is going to be a much better PM than Starmer, so its a risk for those who truly want Reform in. He will give Farage a better fight and 3 years of Lowe taking shots at reform ia going to take a toll
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I don't think Farage will make it to the GE. Either his health or a full blown disgrace will do for him. I think Badenoch will be back trying to wield the christian nationalist bloc by then
 
WillWeEverBeGoodAgain said:
Do you not think a lot of the people who voted for him did it because they want him to replace Starmer rather than him being their MP and all what comes with that, the 24k are happy to be used to get Starmer gone
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I think it’s more to do with an anti-Reform coalition quickly and organically working out how to vote to keep them out. It’s not just happened in Makerfield, it’s an emerging pattern in other by-elections.

It also helped that Reform’s candidate was weak in all sorts of ways - the slightest bit of scrutiny and the type of person he was became clear for all to see. It will keep happening to them.
 
MartyFunkhouser said:
He is going to be a much better PM than Starmer, so its a risk for those who truly want Reform in. He will give Farage a better fight and 3 years of Lowe taking shots at reform ia going to take a toll
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I think he’ll be better at messaging what a Labour are doing, and will possibly bring things through a bit faster. But he’s hamstrung in that he can’t do much of anything that isn’t in the Labour manifesto
 
Glenda's Legs said:
I think he’ll be better at messaging what a Labour are doing, and will possibly bring things through a bit faster. But he’s hamstrung in that he can’t do much of anything that isn’t in the Labour manifesto
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He can if he has a working majority in his own party. The manifesto commitments are just things the HoL are by protocol expected not to vote against. A government can introduce any other additional bills though
 
Gutter Boy said:
Is there a difference? We've not had a soft left populist in power since Atlee, so it will all be fresh ideas

He's done we'll to show he can sure up his right flank well enough against Reform, and will now cruise the Labour members with his left credentials, so that's a pretty impressive governing coalition he's got
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Good result for him sure but he had pretty much the whole party out canvassing for him against a terrible candidate in an area where he's known and popular plus the lib dems and greens didn't even bother contesting. Winning a general election or governing the country are completely different things.

I seem to be the only one who's irked that his coalition just expect Starmer to just walk away over the weekend to someone who's done none of the grifting in opposition and seems to think he's the returning king based on almost nothing. The whole thing is ridiculous, it feels like Johnson in reverse.
 
Gutter Boy said:
He needs to rapidly divert away from Reeves' neo-liberalism if he's any chance of fixing the country.

Ditch the triple lock to slash the benefits bill, merge NI into income tax, capital gains to align with income tax, and land value to replace council tax. Then start repairing public services
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And what mandate does he have for that? To do some of those things he'd have to call a general election if he's the democratic person he claims to be.
 
P.D. said:
And what mandate does he have for that? To do some of those things he'd have to call a general election if he's the democratic person he claims to be.
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You aren't bound by the manifesto. Only thing the manifesto or King's Speech does is give a bill some incontestable legitimacy in passage through the Lords I think.

Democracy basically says we like most of what you are selling and trust in your good governance and sense for up to 5 years.
 
P.D. said:
And what mandate does he have for that? To do some of those things he'd have to call a general election if he's the democratic person he claims to be.
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The mandate that 411 elected MPs will vote for it. That's how a parliamentary democracy works. We have a system of effective 5-year elected dictatorships
 
richie_spur said:
With sensible policies (corners to be refereed properly, WiFi on trains that works, and trains that work) and catchy slogans ("Makerfield great again") I'm surprised he wasn't top 3...
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He is funny.
But if I had no interest in the main parties I’d vote for Rob Powell (Protect the Wild). Let’s get trail hunting (aka fox hunting) banned once and for all.
 
Glenda's Legs said:
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He is funny.
But if I had no interest in the main parties I’d vote for Rob Powell (Protect the Wild). Let’s get trail hunting (aka fox hunting) banned once and for all.
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The satire and truth in that is funny but spot on, from start to finish really.

The fact he flustered him is absolute gold
 
Lost Mango said:
You aren't bound by the manifesto. Only thing the manifesto or King's Speech does is give a bill some incontestable legitimacy in passage through the Lords I think.

Democracy basically says we like most of what you are selling and trust in your good governance and sense for up to 5 years.
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No but it's a pretty good way to lose trust and alienate voters.
 
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